Arianhrod
Aug 6 2005, 09:07 AM
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Diamond - I know you have mentioned Odin in the past. Was it in the Merlin thread? Anyways, could you pull that information up again when you have time? I have seen Merlin's name mentioned several times in Rune history too.
Making a note to myself to do that! (Post It Noted to the computer!) Gotta go school shopping (shudder, I'd rather be getting a tooth pulled) and I'll do it when I get back...what specifically were you looking for?
That was a fantastic reference, firephoenix. I'd read about Odin's alphabetic runes but I didn't know where it came from...
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I know a twelfth:
If a tree bear
A man hanged in a halter,
I can carve and stain strong runes
That will cause the corpse to speak,
Reply to whatever I ask.
The hanged man again...and making corpses speak was also included in the Hermetic texts.
Gotta go! I'll check back later with that info on Odin for you.
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Apple
The apple symbolizes eternal youth. Without consuming the golden apples of the goddess Idun, the gods would grow old and wither because their bodies are physically human (Crossley-Holland, 38
The Elixir of Life, or something similar! Sounds like the Garden of Eden, doesn't it? Interesting, in The Magician's Nephew, the children ate the Golden Apples and Jadis was after them from that point on...
firephoenix
Aug 6 2005, 10:33 AM
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Wounded I hung on a wind-swept gallows
For nine long nights,
Pierced by a spear, pledged to Odin,
Offered, myself to myself
The wisest know not from whence spring
The roots of that ancient rood.
They gave me no bread,
They gave me no mead,
I looked down;
With a loud cry
I took up runes;
From that tree I fell.
I don't know if Odin was near death at this point or about to give up, but he was most likely dieing.
This would also relate to Jesus. Jesus did not reach full enlightenment until right before he died. At one point, on the cross he yells out to God, "Why have you forsaken me!" Is the same instore for Harry?
I, also, found out that some believe Odin's Poem is in reference to 18 charms that have been lost. It's Odin's song that applys to the Rune alphabit.
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Interesting that Tom is the last remaining slytherin ancestor and he seeks immortality
Tom chose to be the last in SS line. He, himself , wanted to be the last and to be "special".
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The most important animal in early Teutonic culture was the horse, especially as a symbol of fertility and warrior virtue. The name of the World Ash Tree, "Yggdrasill," means "the horse of Yggr" (Yggr is another name for Odin). Horses were the gods' main means of support, since divinities had to ride across Bifrost in order to get to the lower worlds. In some cases, a sacred horse was held to understand the will of the gods more clearly than the priests. Odin owned an eight-legged steed, Sleipnir; Night had a horse, Hrimfaxi, who rode with her around the world every two and a half days; and Day's horse, Skinfaxi, lights up the sky and earth every day with his bright mane (Davidson, 53; Rydberg, 164).
I can really see how this links with LotR and shadowfax.
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Random piece of connective information -- the apple features in the tale of the Cu Roi (sorry, I don't have the accents on the letters). Cu Roi was able to keep himself alive by splitting his soul -- he put his soul in an apple (and then in the stomach of a salmon).
AW - Do you think this is where JKR got the idea to slit souls from? And do you have more imformation on Cu Roi?QUOTE
Making a note to myself to do that! (Post It Noted to the computer!) Gotta go school shopping (shudder, I'd rather be getting a tooth pulled) and I'll do it when I get back...what specifically were you looking for?
NO, just general info that may apply. I think it's important that we unstand who Odin is since he is the one who made the Runes.QUOTE
The Elixir of Life, or something similar! Sounds like the Garden of Eden, doesn't it? Interesting, in The Magician's Nephew, the children ate the Golden Apples and Jadis was after them from that point on...
I thought of the garden of Eden too.
Arianhrod
Aug 6 2005, 02:12 PM
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The most important animal in early Teutonic culture was the horse, especially as a symbol of fertility and warrior virtue. The name of the World Ash Tree, "Yggdrasill," means "the horse of Yggr" (Yggr is another name for Odin). Horses were the gods' main means of support, since divinities had to ride across Bifrost in order to get to the lower worlds. In some cases, a sacred horse was held to understand the will of the gods more clearly than the priests. Odin owned an eight-legged steed, Sleipnir; Night had a horse, Hrimfaxi, who rode with her around the world every two and a half days; and Day's horse, Skinfaxi, lights up the sky and earth every day with his bright mane (Davidson, 53; Rydberg, 164).
I can really see how this links with LotR and shadowfax.
I'm probably really pushing it here, but couldn't that relate to the Centaurs as well, Firenze in particular? Just a thought.
About Odin...
His name is, in Icelandic/Old Norse Óđinn; Swedish Oden; English/Old English (and Old Saxon) Wőden; Old Franconian Wodan; Alemannic Wuodan; German Wotan or Wothan; Lombardic Godan. Although its precise mythological meaning is debated, the name is formed from ňđ and -in. In Old Norse, ňđ means by itself '"wit, soul" and in compounds "fierce power, energy;" the suffix -in means "master, lord." Thus, Odin is lord of the life force.
The Odic "life force" is probably where George Lucas got his idea for the Force. It's a 19th century name derived from Odin and was a force that permeated all living things (without the midichlorines!) and was developed to support the doctrine of vitalism. Vitalism said that all life had a "vital force" or vital spark, so that life couldn't be explained in biological or mechanical terms alone. Something else had to be there. Most traditional healing practices thought that disease was the result of some imbalance in the vital energies which distinguish living from non-living matter. In the Western tradition, these vital forces were identified as the humours; eastern traditions posited similar forces such as qi, prana, etc.
Interestingly enough, people who drain the life force from others were called "energy vampires."
Odin is also a receiver of the dead, and has been compared to Hermes (and thus to Mercury and Thoth).
Odin was a shape-changer, able to change his skin and form in any way he liked. He was said to travel the world disguised as an old man with a staff, one-eyed, grey-bearded and wearing a wide-brimmed hat. (Sounds like Gandalf, doesn't it?)
He was also involved in the Wild Hunt, which involved a phantasmal group of huntsmen with horses, hounds, etc., in mad pursuit across the skies.
Seeing the Wild Hunt was thought to presage some catastrophe such as war or plague, or at best the death of the one who witnessed it. Mortals getting in the path of or following the Hunt could be kidnapped and brought to the land of the dead. Gwyn the Hunter (or Gwyn ap Nudd, Nudd being Nuada of the Silver Hand) is his equivalent in Celtic mythology. The remnants of the Wild Hunt is probably where the idea of Santa Claus came from; Gwyn was pulled in a chariot by 8 white horses through the sky. Just an interersting bit of trivia there...
I remember that I had a point on Odin being the lord of the life force and god of the underworld. I just can't remember what it was, but I'm still looking for the original post. Maybe that will "vital spark" my memory!
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Random piece of connective information -- the apple features in the tale of the Cu Roi (sorry, I don't have the accents on the letters). Cu Roi was able to keep himself alive by splitting his soul -- he put his soul in an apple (and then in the stomach of a salmon).
AW - Do you think this is where JKR got the idea to slit souls from? And do you have more imformation on Cu Roi?
Now that is very interesting. I'll look into that, too, while I'm at it!
Edit: Here's link for Cu Roi: Cu Roi. Interestingly enough, Chu Chulainn, who killed Cu Roi, is identified with Jesus. For more information on that, hereis a link.
Toujours Pur
Aug 6 2005, 05:04 PM
Don't forget about Buckbeak.
Hippogriff (French hippogriffe, from Italian ippogrifo : Greek hippos, horse + Italian grifo, griffin (from Latin gr[ymacr]phus; see griffin).)
The gryphon's only known relative is the Hippogriff - the offspring of a horse and a griffon. Such unions are incredibly rare, since the relationship between the two species is usually one of predator and pray. Unlike griffins, hippogriffs could be tamed and used as aerial mounts.
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The hippogriff seemed easier to tame than a griffin. In the few medieval legends when this fantastic creature makes an appearance, it is usually the pet of either a knight or a sorcerer. It makes an excellent steed, being able to fly as fast as lightning. The hippogriff is said to be an omnivore, eating either plants or meat.
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Griffins and horses were supposed to be mortal enemies. The Hippogriff symbolizes an impossible thing. There is an old expression "Jungentur jam grypes equis" which means "To cross griffons with horses", a metaphor for attempting the impossible.
memyslfnI
Aug 6 2005, 06:25 PM
does anyone else think of the spell that hangs the victim upside down when we think of the hanged man in the HBP
It is the spell that James uses on snape in GoF and is explained in HBP the "spell of the day" when the maurauders were in school?
We see it in the tarot and also how it corresponds to Eihwaz as the belief is that Tarot may have spun from Runes.
If someone could tell me the name of that spell, (Ron is hung upside down as well) that would be awesome!
Toujours Pur
Aug 6 2005, 06:52 PM
Levicorpus ( nonverbal)
Dangles the target person upside-down by the ankle in mid-air.
firephoenix
Aug 6 2005, 08:01 PM
[quote]Levicorpus ( nonverbal)
Dangles the target person upside-down by the ankle in mid-air.
[/quote]Levicorpus = Lift up body???
Maybe it's not the incantation that is importent, maybe it's the inventor of the spell. :conf:
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[quote]Don't forget about Buckbeak[/quote]Good point. Sirus used Buckbeak to "ride the world" and Harry may too. Buckbeak is Harry's now.
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Diamond - Thanks for the info on Odin.[quote]Interestingly enough, people who drain the life force from others were called "energy vampires."
[/quote]Dementors??? Also, LV's life force can't be that strong any more. Maybe that is why Harry got the upper hand when their wands were connected. :ponder: [quote]Odin is also a receiver of the dead, and has been compared to Hermes (and thus to Mercury and Thoth).
[QUOTE]This makes my head hurt. I just linked Herms with Hermione in the 7 thread and I can't help woundering if it applys in this case as well. I'll think on that.[QUOTE]He was also involved in the Wild Hunt, which involved a phantasmal group of huntsmen with horses, hounds, etc., in mad pursuit across the skies. [/quote]This sound like the headless hunt to me. (and was shown in the 3rd movie)
[quote]Seeing the Wild Hunt was thought to presage some catastrophe such as war or plague, or at best the death of the one who witnessed it.[/quote]The Wizarding World is at war.[quote] remember that I had a point on Odin being the lord of the life force and god of the underworld. I just can't remember what it was, but I'm still looking for the original post. Maybe that will "vital spark" my memory!
[/quote]I'll see if I can't help you find it. Also thanks for the info on Cu Rio. I don't have alot of time right now, but I'll check it out as soon as I can.
Arianhrod
Aug 6 2005, 10:11 PM
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does anyone else think of the spell that hangs the victim upside down when we think of the hanged man in the HBP
Good catch, M. Since Snape was the first one we saw "hanged", as we were talking about in another thread, he probably is the Hanged Man of the Tarot. Thoughts?
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Diamond - Thanks for the info on Odin.
You're welcome! I swear I don't know where my brain is anymore. Can't think straight half the time. I remember posting something about Odin and his life force thing, but for the life of me I can't remember what the point was. The search function hasn't really been working all day, but I'll look into it because now it's going to drive me crazy until I find it.
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Dementors??? Also, LV's life force can't be that strong any more. Maybe that is why Harry got the upper hand when their wands were connected.
I thought of the dementors, too. And I think you're right. LV split his soul into seven pieces; he can't have too much of a vital spark left at all, can he?
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Seeing the Wild Hunt was thought to presage some catastrophe such as war or plague, or at best the death of the one who witnessed it.
The Wizarding World is at war.
I didn't think of that one. I thought of the Dark Mark and how if you saw it, it meant death.
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I'll see if I can't help you find it. Also thanks for the info on Cu Rio. I don't have alot of time right now, but I'll check it out as soon as I can.
It's interesting. Let me know what you think after you read it. I think AW is right and that particular story does have relevance, but let me know and we can discuss it.
firephoenix
Aug 7 2005, 09:06 AM
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Good catch, M. Since Snape was the first one we saw "hanged", as we were talking about in another thread, he probably is the Hanged Man of the Tarot. Thoughts?
I posted a thought on this in the Tarot thread.QUOTE
I didn't think of that one. I thought of the Dark Mark and how if you saw it, it meant death
I didn't think of that one. It says it's a difficult spell, I wonder if that has something to do with if it has to be located a special way in the sky..... :ponder:
Edit due to Err...errrrr......er..err moment. 
Arianhrod
Aug 8 2005, 11:18 AM
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I didn't think of that one. It says it's a difficult spell, I wonder if that has something to do with if it has to be located a special way in the sky.....
Which would take us right back to astrology or astronomy, wouldn't it?
Asphodel Wormwood
Aug 8 2005, 05:39 PM
Hmm -- it seems that, regarding the Cu Roi and the soul hidden away, the salmon in which the soul was placed only surfaced every seven years; and only when the salmon/apple was destroyed could Cu Roi be destroyed.
Arianhrod
Aug 8 2005, 07:52 PM
That was an interesting story, AW. I'd looked up every combination of legend, folklore and mythology and never found that until you said Cu Roi. Anyway, the part I find most interesting is that Cu Roi is killed by Cuchulainn, who in some interpretations is equated with Christ. Not to put a religious spin on it, but in the Christian Symbolism thread there has been a lot of discussion about whether or not Harry is a Christ figure.
The salmon only breaks the surface every seven years, and only then can Cu Roi's soul be destroyed. There are seven books in the series--Harry spends 7 years at Hogwarts. In book 7 we can pretty much expect Harry to kill LV by hunting down his Horcruxes and destroying them. So in Book 7, in some way, the "salmon" must come to the surface. Is there any runic or other symbolism associated with the salmon? Or fish in general (which was, of course, Christ's symbol.)
Asphodel Wormwood
Aug 8 2005, 07:58 PM
Hmm -- the Harry being a Christ symbol, the fish being a symbol of Christ -- it all seems to indicate that Harry is the last Horcrux.
And yes, there does appear to be that seven year factor of things. But only this time around. Before, it was eleven years of him being in power. I began to wonder if maybe he waited seven years between Horcruxes, but I don't think there would have been enough time.
firephoenix
Aug 8 2005, 10:36 PM
AW - I also found the story intresting. It really seems to relate to what we have been discussing. QUOTE
Hmm -- the Harry being a Christ symbol, the fish being a symbol of Christ -- it all seems to indicate that Harry is the last Horcrux.
Good point! I'll have to remember that one.QUOTE
Is there any runic or other symbolism associated with the salmon? Or fish in general (which was, of course, Christ's symbol.)
I'll get right on that, but as you have already pointed out LV's tile in some drawings looks like a fish hook.QUOTE
Which would take us right back to astrology or astronomy, wouldn't it?
My family aready thinks I'm on the computer to much. So I think for now I'll have to pass on these two topics. 
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I think I found the Rune stones that are in the 3rd movie. Here
The circle originally had a diameter of 31.7m (104 ft) and a total of 12 stones. Now only four unusually shaped stones remain; the tallest is about 5 m (16 ft) high, but not far away at the southern edge of the Bridge of Brodgar, is an even taller stone of 5.6m (18.5 ft) high and known as the Watch Stone. This may have been part of a line of standing stones linking the Stones of Stenness with the nearby Ring of Brodgar.
Thousands of man-hours must have been devoted to hewing the 2m (6 ft 6 in) deep and 7 m (23 ft) wide ditch from 1250 tons of solid sandstone bedrock. The site dates back to about 2970 BC, but the ditch and outer bank are now almost disappeared; the three stones of the cove were reconstructed on 1906. Actually, the cove has been 'restored' using some fallen stones to form what was then mistakenly thought to have been their original formation.
According to Dr.Robert Henry, an 18th century antiquary, the site was once known as the Temple of the Moon, and the Ring of Brodgar as the Temple of the Sun. There are stories of couples going first to the Temple of the Moon, where the woman fell down on her knees and prayed for strength, and then going to the Temple of the Sun where the man did the same. Each New Year's Day, the local people met at Stenness church and danced and feasted for several days.
On Christmas Day 1814, the tenant farmer, Captain W. MacKay, tried to destroy the Stones, angry that visitors to the site were damaging his fields. MacKay had broken up one stone, locally known as Odin Stone, and felled another before he was stopped. His actions roused the anger of the locals and there were two attempts to set fire to his property.
What do you think?
I found alittle more on the Odin Stone:QUOTE
Magical traditions
As can be gathered from their reaction to its destruction, to the Orcadians of yesteryear, the potency of the Odin Stone was unparalleled. It was not only the focus of a number of "magical" rites but was also thought to possess miraculous healing powers.
When visiting the stone it was customary to leave offerings of food or ale at the stone and it was common for young people to pass their heads through the stone to acquire immunity from certain diseases.
Along the same lines, new-born infants were passed through the hole to ensure a healthy future and crippled limbs were passed through in the hope of some supernatural cure.
"It was said that a child passed through the hole when young would never shake with palsy in old age. Up to the time of its destruction, it was customary to leave some offering on visiting the stone, such as a piece of bread, or cheese, or a rag, or even a stone."
G H Black
The stone's healing powers were often combined with the magical water of the well at Bigswell a short distance away. For more information on sacred wells, click here.
The Odin Stone apparently had the power to bestow some of its magic onto mortals. One old folktale tells how a farmer from Turriedale in the parish of Evie:
"for nine moons at midnight, when the moon was full, went nine times on his bare knees around the Odin Stone of Stainness. And for nine moons, at full moon, he looked through the hole of the Odin Stone and wished he might get the power of seeing Hildaland."
Later in the tale the farmer's wish is granted and he drives the finfolk from their magical island, claiming it for the Christian God and renaming it Eynhallow - Holy Island. For a full version of this tale, click here.
This is the click here It's another intresting read. I like how the journey begins and ends with salt and there is a refrence to nasty blood.
Arianhrod
Aug 9 2005, 09:34 AM
The link on the Odin Stone was interesting, firephoenix. (The second link didn't work--I don't know why.) Anyway, it said "click here for more details", so I did. The Odin Stone was best known for its power in marriages and other binding agreements. The parties would clasp hands through the hole in the Odin stone and swear the Odin Oath. This vow was unbreakable, absolutely irrevocable, and if someone broke their oath the society would have nothing to do with them:
""This ceremony was held so very sacred in those times that the person who dared to break the engagement made here was counted infamous, and excluded all society."
Another recorded case involved a young man had seduced a girl under promise of marriage, and she proving with child, was deserted by him:
"The young man was called before session; the elders were particularly severe. Being asked by the minister the cause of so much rigor, they answered:
'You do not know what a bad man this is; he has broke the promise of Odin.'
Being further asked what they meant by the promise of Odin, they put him in mind of the stone at Stenhouse, with the round hole in it; and added, that it was customary, when promises were made, for the contracting parties to join hands through this hole, and the promises so made were called the promises of Odin."
Principal Gordon, Scots College, Paris
Archaeologia Scotica Vol I - 1792"
Are the Stennes Stones contemporary with Stonehenge? It says it was erected around 3000 BC.
In Irish myth, there were five salmon of knowledge, equated with the nine hazels of wisdom. They were hazel-trees of inspiration and the knowledge of poetry of the Tuatha de Danaan. They grew by a well below the sea, out of which the seven streams of wisdom spring and return. In the well are the five salmon of knowledge who eat the nuts that fall from the hazel trees. If anyone eats one of the salmon, all wisdom and all poetry would be theirs (28). There's that number 7 again--and the Tuatha de Danaan.
firephoenix
Aug 9 2005, 10:19 AM
sorry about the link! Try this one click here
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Are the Stennes Stones contemporary with Stonehenge? It says it was erected around 3000 BC.
From what I've found, Stonehenge pre dates the Rune stones.
Some of the rune Stones have carvings too. I'm hoping that maybe I can find something useful.
Did JKR ever say anything about the location of Hogwarts? I think it may be in the Highlands, but did she say anything definite? This in fo may help narrow down which Stones to look at first. The ones I have posted already, I believe are in England.
Arianhrod
Aug 9 2005, 10:56 AM
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Did JKR ever say anything about the location of Hogwarts? I think it may be in the Highlands, but did she say anything definite? This in fo may help narrow down which Stones to look at first. The ones I have posted already, I believe are in England.
She didn't, but it could be in Scotland. During the early Middle Ages, Scotland was predominantly Celtic and Scandinavian, because the Norman invasion didn't reach that far north. However, the Norwegian and Danish influx into Britain came through Scotland, I think.
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From what I've found, Stonehenge pre dates the Rune stones.
Ah. They just seem so similar I was wondering if maybe they were built around the same time or possibly had the same influence. Slightly OT, legend had it that when Arthur married Guinevere (Gwynhyfar in Welsh), she brought with her from Ireland the plans for the round table. Just wondering if there was any connection there.
That's an interesting story, firephoenix. I'm curious about the Finmen. The name seems to imply a couple of things: that they are from Finland (Scandinavian, and the Vikings did invade Ireland) or fin as in fish or "Fishmen." Half human, half fish creatures are everywhere in Egyptian and Grail mythology. Either way it seems they came from across the sea.
firephoenix
Aug 9 2005, 01:13 PM
I tell you, Diamond, most days I don't know where my head is and today is no exception.
Do you think there is a connection between Odin's Stone and the Unbreakable Vow? I do. I think that Odin's Stone may have given JKR the idea for the Unbreakable Vow.QUOTE
Ah. They just seem so similar I was wondering if maybe they were built around the same time or possibly had the same influence. Slightly OT, legend had it that when Arthur married Guinevere (Gwynhyfar in Welsh), she brought with her from Ireland the plans for the round table. Just wondering if there was any connection there.
hmmm intresting. This really could be. They have no explaination for Stonehenge. I'll keep an eye out for it.QUOTE
That's an interesting story, firephoenix. I'm curious about the Finmen. The name seems to imply a couple of things: that they are from Finland (Scandinavian, and the Vikings did invade Ireland) or fin as in fish or "Fishmen." Half human, half fish creatures are everywhere in Egyptian and Grail mythology. Either way it seems they came from across the sea.
My guesss would be both.
In contrast to the relatively benign selkie-folk, the Finfolk of Orkney lore were regarded as a dark and gloomy race of sorcerers, feared and mistrusted by mortals.
Although the sea-dwelling Finfolk tales appear to contain elements from a number of distinctly different sources, it seems most likely that they were primarily based on the "Finns" of Norwegian tradition - the indigenous inhabitants of northern Norway who were also renowned for their "magical powers".
Finfolk
Boy, did they get a bad rap from Christians.
Arianhrod
Aug 9 2005, 01:37 PM
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Do you think there is a connection between Odin's Stone and the Unbreakable Vow? I do. I think that Odin's Stone may have given JKR the idea for the Unbreakable Vow.
I agree. That's what I thought of as soon as I read it.
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Boy, did they get a bad rap from Christians.
Yes they did. They didn't convert to Christianity and were made out to be dark magicians and sorcerers. The article said that there were laws passed forbidding Christians to go to them for healing or to have anything to do with them.
memyslfnI
Aug 9 2005, 02:49 PM
Does anyone else think it is interesting that we do not know the names of the ancient Runes teacher or the author of the Ancient Runes Made Easy text book?
Why?
There are also runes surrounding the basin of the pensieve. THis makes me think that combinations of them around an object envoke some of the magic which enables you to store memories. Any ideas as to which ones? I think we could make an educated guess!
Arianhrod
Aug 9 2005, 02:51 PM
If we can get a good look at them, I'm sure we could come up with something!
dopeydwarf
Aug 9 2005, 04:57 PM
Isn't the frontal lobe the forehead? this is the area of the brain where we make our decisions.
firephoenix
Aug 9 2005, 07:17 PM
[quote][QUOTE]I agree. That's what I thought of as soon as I read it.
[/quote]Next time point it out to me. It could of been a week before I reliezed it! I want to steal dopeydwarf's name.[quote]Yes they did. They didn't convert to Christianity and were made out to be dark magicians and sorcerers. The article said that there were laws passed forbidding Christians to go to them for healing or to have anything to do with them.
[/quote]It makes me sad to think how information was lost in the name of Christianty. And it's not like the early Christains didn't bend...Paul did alot. And they did except alot of Alchemy.[quote]Does anyone else think it is interesting that we do not know the names of the ancient Runes teacher or the author of the Ancient Runes Made Easy text book?
Why?
[/quote]M, I don't know, I just wish I could find one hint to know which way to head. Hermione does say in HBP: [quote]"I know I messed up Ancient Runes," muttered Hermione feverishly, "I definitely made at least one serious mistranslation...."[/quote][quote]There are also runes surrounding the basin of the pensieve. THis makes me think that combinations of them around an object envoke some of the magic which enables you to store memories. Any ideas as to which ones? I think we could make an educated guess!
[/quote]I have been looking for magic related to the stones and I haven't found anything real useful yet.[quote]Isn't the frontal lobe the forehead? this is the area of the brain where we make our decisions.[/quote]This is also where the third eye is located.
Arianhrod
Aug 10 2005, 08:31 AM
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Next time point it out to me. It could of been a week before I reliezed it! I want to steal dopeydwarf's name.
Sorry. My brain's not doing any better that yours! :p
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It makes me sad to think how information was lost in the name of Christianty. And it's not like the early Christains didn't bend...Paul did alot. And they did except alot of Alchemy.
I agree with that--it is very sad. How much was lost to religion in general as well? How much did we lose when the Library of Alexandria was burned? Millions of scrolls were lost. And when the Christians drove all those tribes into either conversion or extinction we lost so much, too.
Toujours Pur
Aug 10 2005, 12:11 PM
QUOTE(memyslfnI @ Aug. 09 2005,2:49 pm)
Does anyone else think it is interesting that we do not know the names of the ancient Runes teacher or the author of the Ancient Runes Made Easy text book?
Why?
There are also runes surrounding the basin of the pensieve. THis makes me think that combinations of them around an object envoke some of the magic which enables you to store memories. Any ideas as to which ones? I think we could make an educated guess!
Wow I did not catch that. Interesting.
firephoenix
Aug 10 2005, 11:43 PM
OTHALA - O: Ancestral property - Inheritance
Freedom and independence through releasing ideas and things that keep you 'stuck'. You will feel 'free'. You will inherit from someone.
Reversed: Not letting go of outmoded ideas and concepts. You will feel 'stuck'.
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Did someone mention if there was a Rune that looked like a fish? Above is the decription. M - I bet this one was on the basin.
Arianhrod
Aug 11 2005, 01:24 PM
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Did someone mention if there was a Rune that looked like a fish?
Is that Othala?
I think I'm going to go to the library tonight and see if I can find a book on this (and Tarot).
Well, Harry inherited 12 GP and all his parent's money...
I found something on Othala that's interesting:
from midnightmoonchild.com (I just love that name):
This rune may be worked to protect, increase, or establish an inheritence or heritage intended for future generations. With this intent many magical efforts may come under the purview of Othala including teaching, mentoring, or other methods of passing along accumulated wisdom, knowledge, and tradition.
Dumbledore and the Pensieve?
OTHALA UPRIGHT:Heritage, inheritance, a house, a home, birthland or homeland, spiritual heritage, experience and fundamental values, spiritual and physical journeys, safety, increase and abundance. (Harry?)
OTHALA MERKSTAVE (reversed?): Disinheritance, lack of customary order, moral decay, banishment, totalitarianism, slavery, poverty, homelessness, prejudice, clannishness, provincialism.(LV?)
memyslfnI
Aug 11 2005, 06:51 PM
I had thought this one tooQUOTE
Kenaz: (K: Beacon or torch.) Vision, revelation, knowledge, creativity, inspiration, technical ability. Vital fire of life, harnessed power, fire of transformation and regeneration. Power to create your own reality, the power of light. Open to new strength, energy, and power now. Passion, sexual love. Kenaz Reversed or Merkstave: Disease, breakup, instability, lack of creativity. Nakedness, exposure, loss of illusion and false hope.
It looks like this 
firephoenix
Aug 11 2005, 11:29 PM
This is what sunnyway.com (not as cute as Diamond's) had to say:QUOTE
Othala: (O: Ancestral property.) Inherited property or possessions, a house, a home. What is truly important to one. Group order, group prosperity. Land of birth, spiritual heritage, experience and fundamental values. Aid in spiritual and physical journeys. Source of safety, increase and abundance. Othala Reversed or Merkstave: Lack of customary order, totalitarianism, slavery, poverty, homelessness. Bad karma, prejudice, clannishness, provincialism. What a man is bound to.
It really could be Harry and LV...LV is bound to all those Horcruxes. THe Horcruxes are things he held important, thing to him that represented his life, (sad really) and by putting parts of his soul in them he sealed his life and fate.QUOTE
I had thought this one too
M - I am unclear on this one. What are you referring too.
memyslfnI
Aug 12 2005, 08:43 AM
my thought is that there is not just one rune symbol around the pensieve but a combination of rune symbols to envoke the magic necessary to allow it to store memories. As Poppy said about Rons encounter inthe brain room, "thoughts could leave deeper scarring than anything else" so the mind and its memories are extrememly powerful and would probably need a combination of runes to hold them in place.
Arianhrod
Aug 12 2005, 12:05 PM
And they might have to be done in a particular order to get the desired spell.
QUOTE
It really could be Harry and LV...LV is bound to all those Horcruxes. THe Horcruxes are things he held important, thing to him that represented his life, (sad really) and by putting parts of his soul in them he sealed his life and fate.
That is sad.
QUOTE
Kenaz: (K: Beacon or torch.) Vision, revelation, knowledge, creativity, inspiration, technical ability. Vital fire of life, harnessed power, fire of transformation and regeneration. Power to create your own reality, the power of light. Open to new strength, energy, and power now. Passion, sexual love.
Sounds like Harry again. He's harnessing his power (or learning to) and he's realizing the power of light.
firephoenix
Aug 12 2005, 10:40 PM
I still can't find alot of info on the Rune stone circles or henges, but I did find this:QUOTE
The Function of Stone Circles
The obvious interpretation of the circles is that they served some sort of ritual function-the standard archaeological answer for things that cannot otherwise be explained. Understanding the nature of the rituals involved, however, is problematical to say the least. What survives, at best, are the settings and a minute fraction of the physical evidence-mainly pottery, stone and bone. Circles are very commonly used among preliterate peoples (as well as modern witches) to mark off sacred space from the perilous world surrounding it.
I though this intresting, because of it's mention of sacred spaces. So what's it marking off at Hogwarts?
Arianhrod
Aug 13 2005, 12:24 PM
Great question. Maybe it's the boundary of Hogwarts itself? Inside the circle the muggles can't see it? I really have no idea--I'm just guessing!
firephoenix
Aug 13 2005, 08:18 PM
In the 3rd movie, after the graveyard arguement, the dirctor had JKR draw a map of the grounds. In the movie the rune stones are a structure within the grounds.
nyctom
Aug 14 2005, 12:10 AM
Asphodel Wormwood, "Why refer to eiwaz?" I think it is another small clue related to the veil in the MoM. Remember, both Luna and Harry can "hear" voices from behind the veil, which is the passageway to the another dimension--death (I always found it fascinating that that veil is in what looks like a Greco-Roman amphitheater). Since reading OotP, I've been waiting for some kind of shamanistic journey involving that veil. There's a marvelous quotation by Carl Jung that I don't have at hand, but can paraphrase: in ancient tribes, there were two sources of power for men, symbolized by two separate roles: the warrior and the shaman. Shamans are not only the "medicine men" (or women--the role in some tribes is filled by a woman) for that particular tribe, but they are the only members of their tribe who have the ability to move between realms of experience: the living world and the world of the death. In that sense, they are messengers, bringing information to and from each world. The transition between the worlds is often characterized or symbolized as a doorway. The shaman goes into a shamanistic trance (usually, but not always, accomplished through the use of drugs or, interestingly enough, through the pounding regular rhythm of a drum) to begin the journey from one realm to another.
Now I have thought since OotP, this has definite parallels with the HP series. We have already seen one member of the Hogwarts 'tribe' fulfill the role of warrior: Harry, in CoS (Griffyndor sword and all). Now if JKR continues using the archetype, we might see another Hogwarts's student fulfill the role of shaman: Luna. She has already shown a capability for helping heal psychological wounds (she is the only one who makes Harry feel better after Sirius's death; she cheers Ron up when he is in the hospital and unable to take part in the quidditch match--not to mention his fears that Harry will replace him as Keeper). And I give JKR credit for not leaving such a dangling loose thread as the veil still hanging in the last book.
JKR has already said that Ravenclaw will "have their day" in Book 7. I suspect that "day" will involve Luna and the veil. I don't think that Sirius's mirror will be directly involved (it could be, but I suspect Harry will find another, more mundane use for it), but I do think that Luna will be the one who will be able to decipher what those voices behind the veil are saying--and that what they say will play a key part in resolving the mysteries of the series as a whole.
{Edited to add in this}
I think that JKR won't necessarily have Luna travel through the veil, but that someone dead will have something vital to communicate that will forward the plot. My best quess at present is that Luna's mother's death may have something to do with the Ravenclaw horcrux--and that Luna will be the key to solving that particular aspect of the plot. I think it is important to keep in mind that JKR has told us that the dead never truly leave us, and will, indeed, help us--as long as we remember to honor their memory (thus, "Prongs rode again last night").
memyslfnI
Aug 14 2005, 09:28 AM
Very inciteful!, nyctom! I also think there is more to come from Loony Luna Lovegood!!! I love the connection of Luna+ Ravenclaw="Ravenclaws will have their day!" Even Ron is starting to appreciate her (his comment about her announcement abilities)
I have one question though, are you referring to Eihwaz or Ehwaz in relation to the veil?
If the meanings are here:
QUOTE
Ehwaz: (E: Horse, two horses.) Transportation. May represent a horse, car, plane, boat or other vehicle. Movement and change for the better. Gradual development and steady progress are indicated. Harmony, teamwork, trust, loyalty. An ideal marriage or partnership. Confirmation beyond doubt the meanings of the runes around it. Ehwaz Reversed or Merkstave: This is not really a negative rune. A change is perhaps craved. Feeling restless or confined in a situation. Reckless haste, disharmony, mistrust, betrayal.
andQUOTE
Eihwaz: (EI: Yew tree.) Strength, reliability, dependability, trustworthiness. Enlightenment, endurance. Defense, protection. The driving force to acquire, providing motivation and a sense of purpose. Indicates that you have set your sights on a reasonable target and can achieve your goals. An honest man who can be relied upon. Eihwaz Reversed or Merkstave: Confusion, destruction, dissatisfaction, weakness.
you could mean eihwaz=enlightnment for that rune as if she will enlighten Harry with knowledg he has yet to gain or ehwaz=partnership, or even transportation, to go through the veil?
It could be that the runes are all spelled differently depending on which translation you use. I am just trying to see which rune you are refferring to .
firephoenix
Aug 15 2005, 10:57 PM
I also really like the connection to Luna.
M- my guess would be Ehwaz (nyctom, please correct me if I'm wrong) This one seems to decribe the veil as well as Luna. I like that theory. Plus we have already matched with Eihwaz with LV.
Hmmm... what could be luna's RR Horcrux? :conf: Her turnip earrings?
nyctom
Aug 16 2005, 03:42 AM
No wonder I like Hermione so much--we even screw up the same runes! 
firephoenix
Aug 16 2005, 11:28 AM
It's Luna, Not Hermione, IT'S LUNA!!!!
<Banging my head on the keyboard>
Luna and the Quibbler hold the next ancient runes and it's in OotP!
QUOTE
( OotP - US edition - pg. 193)
...and an artical on ancient runes, which at least explained why Luna had been reading The Quibbler upside down. According to the magazine, if you turned the runes on their heads they reveal a spell to make your enemy's ears turn into kumquates.
Now I'm sure we wouldn't find the spell, (though I could use it on my sister- in- law) but this might be a clue. I'm going to need help. I'm terrible with puzzles like this.
What I did notice is you can almost spell Harry's name with the runes and they all seem to apply to him.
H =
HAGALAZ - H: Destructive forces
This refers to the destructive forces of nature, and things that are out of our control. Cannot be reversed.
A (there isn't one)
R =
RAIDHO - R: Journey
You're about to embark on a journey - either in the physical world or a journey of your soul to heal something that needs healing.
Y =
ALGIZ: Z
Spirit guides - (How interesting as my guide is Zoroaster and I call him Z!) - protection, fortunate new influence, making the connection with spirit and working through your issues.
Arianhrod
Aug 16 2005, 11:33 AM
Good job there, firephoenix! And we thought that JKR just made that name up. I wonder what the runes are for Potter and Evans?
Edit: Ooo, wait, I found one for A:
ANSUZ - A: references the ancestral god, Odin.
Message from within (listen to your 'little voice'), advice from others, chance encounter, careful thought so you will know what to do from this point in time
Reversed: Watch out for trickery, the dark side of yourself when others interfering with your plans, or there is failed communication
firephoenix
Aug 16 2005, 11:26 PM
QUOTE
Message from within (listen to your 'little voice'), advice from others, chance encounter, careful thought so you will know what to do from this point in time
"little voice"....RiH?
Edited to add this.
There is a P, but they don't spell out Potter or Evans. Maybe if I stood on my head some more. Got some asprin? What are we missing? :conf:
Arianhrod
Aug 17 2005, 07:57 AM
Hmm. I'm wondering if it's because the runic alphabet is Scandiavian and we speak English, so some of the letters are different. But aren't Norwegian and Danish Germanic languages, just like English? And there were Roman runes, too. There should be something we recognize! We need a linguist here.
memyslfnI
Aug 17 2005, 08:20 AM
interesting you should mention that! I am reading a book about this and read the chapterabout that last night!!
Here we go!
rune 
= th sound though it looks like "p"
rune 
is an unknown vouwel sound in the region of "i"
rune 
is "ng" as in "sing"
rune [img]http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/jera.gif[/img] is transcribed as "j" but actually is a "y" sound
Some of the runic forms are related to the roman alphabetas r, i, b. Others could well be adaptations of roman letters as f, u(Roman v inverted),k (Roman c)h,s,t,l (Roman L inverted). But other runes g, w, j, p, for instance, bear little resemblence to Roman forms with the same value.
Arianhrod
Aug 17 2005, 07:17 PM
So which set do we use? That's where I'm confused. Whichever one works best?
firephoenix
Aug 17 2005, 09:54 PM
which ever one we can jam the square peg in easiest.
This may help. HERE
Arianhrod
Aug 18 2005, 08:15 AM
Thank you! That's a huge help.
firephoenix
Aug 19 2005, 10:56 PM
Check out this CHART I found.
Now if LV is Eihwaz his rune gods would be:
Idun, Iduna, Idhunna - ("She Who Renews") Goddess of eternal life and youth, keeper of the golden apples of youth and immortality, wife of Bragi. Every year she gives one apple to every Ćsir.
And...
Ullr, Uller, Ull, Wulder - ON. OE. Winter God of archery, skiing and yew magic.Stepson of Thor, from a previous union between Sif and Orvandil, a star hero. This puts Ullr among the Vanir. His name means "The Brilliant One" and he is associated with the Aurora Borealis. He has been identified as a very archaic God of death in Norway. At some time in history, Ullr was held to be just as important as Odin, and in winter he was considered to be the ruler in Asgard
And his tarot card I can't find at the moment. The thread search isn't working at the moment. I know M posted a link to tarot cards, but it isn't in the tarot thread. Where else were we talking about the Hangman card?
Now if Harry is Sowilo, then his gods would be:
Sól - ("Sun") The brilliant Sun Goddess mentioned in the Merseburger poems. Daughter of Munifauri , sister of Mani ("Moon"), wife of Glen. Rider of the chariot drawn by Alsvid and Arvak, carrier of the shield Svalin ("Cool"). She will be consumed by the wolf Soll and be succeeded by her daughter, Sunna. Also known as Gull ("Gold"). Gull and Sol are often interchangeable so she may be an aspect of Gullveig. Most commentators seem to agree that Gullveig is identical with Freya. See also Sunna.
Gullveig, Gollveig, Heid - ("Gold Might" or "Gold Thirst") Also called "Golden Branch", "Gleaming One". A member of the Vanir who came to live with the Aesir. She was a handmaiden to Freya and taught her seidr. The gods considered her to be an abomination who did not deserve to live. Three times she was thrown into the fire in Odin's hall and emerged whole and shining. The attempts to kill her sparked the war between the Aesir and Vanir. Because they could not kill her, the Gods banished her to Ironwood, where she is magically bound until Ragnarok. Gullveig may be the Giantess Agnriboda, who bore with Loki the monsters Hel, Fenrir and the Midgard Serpent.
hmmm... :conf: Matbe Harry isn't this rune after all.
Could Ehwaz be DD?
Ehwaz God's
Freya, Freyja - ("The Lady") Member of the Vanir who lives with the Ćsir, daughter of Njord, sister-consort of Freyr. Her emblem is the necklace Brisingamen. Hers is the magic of reading runes, trancing and casting spells. She is said to have taught Seidh to Odin. She owns a falcon cloak, takes dove form, rides in a chariot drawn by two cats, or rides a boar. As leader of the Valkyries, she takes half those slain in battle and is traditionally associated with death and sexuality. She was married to the God Od, perhaps identical to Odin, who mysteriously disappeared. Freya had two daughters, Hnoss and Gersimi, with Od. She weeps tears of gold, which become amber, called "Freya's Tears".
Freyr (fray-er), Frey, Fro, Ingve-Frey - ("The Lord") Vana-God, brother-consort of Freya; son of Njord and Njord's sister, Nerthus. Fertility and creativity God; God of Yule; God of wealth and peace and contentment. Blood was not allowed to be spilled through violence, nor where weapons or outlaws allowed on or in his holy places. He owns the boar, Gullinbursti, the ship, Skidbladnir, and a magic sword, that moves by itself through the air. Gerd, a Giantess, is his wife. Sensual love, fertility, growth, abundance, wealth, bravery, horses, boars, protector of ships and sailors, peace, joy happiness, rain, beauty, weather, guarantor of oaths, groves, sunshine, plant growth, sex. He ruled over the land of the light elves, Alfheim. He is also the ancestor of the royal bloodline of the Yngling family, early rulers of Norway/Sweden/Denmark.
Aclis - Twin gods worshipped by the Teutons, said to be the sons of the Sky God.
That souds like DD.
Arianhrod
Aug 20 2005, 06:30 AM
QUOTE
And his tarot card I can't find at the moment. The thread search isn't working at the moment. I know M posted a link to tarot cards, but it isn't in the tarot thread. Where else were we talking about the Hangman card?
I think it was in the 7 thread, actually. Great link, firephoenix!
That really does sound like LV and DD. Harry, though--the first part does sound like him. The one who drove the sky chariot--wasn't that Phaeton in Greek mythology?
I looked up the corresponding rune for Holly and found this:
Rune is Mannan, Card is Magician, gods are Odin and Heimdall.
Odin, Odhinn, Woden - Ruler of the Ćsir, God of the runes, inspiration, shamanism, magic and war. God of the hanged and the Wild Hunt; God of storm, rain and harvest. A shape-shifter, he makes men mad or possessed with a blind raging fury. He produces the battle panic called "battle-fetter". Three different frenzies or madness are his gifts to humankind: the warrior in battle, the seer in trance, and the poet in creativity. Subtle, wily, mysterious and dangerous, he often ignores pacts made in honor with humans. Attended by his two ravens, two wolves and the Valkyries. Feared by ordinary people and worshiped only by princes, poets, the berzerkers, and sorcerers. Unpredictable when invoked.
Heimdall, Heimdal [hame-dall] - ("Heaven's Mount") He is also called "the Son of the Waves" because he was born from the Nine Waves (Aegir's daughters) by Odin's enchantment. On the first day a boat drifted towards the shores of mankind, Aurvanga-land. In the boat was a little boy, Heimdall, sent by the Gods. He slept on a sheaf of corn, surrounded by all manner of treasures and tools. The humans accepted him gladly, and raised him calling him Rig. He taught them to kindle the holy fire, instructed them in runic wisdom, taught them workmanship and handicraft, organized their society, and originated and stabilized the three classes of men as spoken of in the Song of Rig. Heimdall lived long as a man among men, and the age of his rulership was a golden age of peace and prosperity. Heimdall bedded three different females who all bore children, ancestors to three different classes; earls, farmers and serfs. When he died, his boat returned to take him back. The sorrowing humans laid his corpse in the boat, and surrounded it with his treasures and weapons. The boat then sailed back to Vanaheimr, where Heimdall was stripped of his aged human shape, regained his eternal youth and was taken into Asgard. Asa-God of Light and the rainbow; "The White God"; he is the Guardian of Bifrost bridge. He stands at the gate and is brilliant in white armor. His teeth are gold. He has a great sword. He is a fierce warrior and very handsome. He has super-sight and super-hearing. He sleeps less than a bird. He can hear the grass grow and see hundreds of miles away. Heimdall carries a sword and the Gjallar horn. When a God comes to the gate, he blows the horn softly. At Ragnarok, he will blow the Gjall horn in warning and it will be heard throughout the nine worlds. His horse's name is Golden Forelock.
Hmm. Doesn't really sound like Harry, either, does it? Wonder if Harry could be a combination of all the runes? (Is there such a thing?)
I found the Hanged Man:
The Hanged Man
A spiritual quest; this person is seeking knowledge and spiritual gain. In the Norse tarot, this card is represented by Odin hanging from the tree of Yggdrasil and grasping the runes, which signify knowledge and wisdom. Reversed: Not seeing the spiritual side of a situation; maybe not realising how important something is. This is a difficult card to give a general interpretation to; it is different in every reading.
http://handel.pacific.net.sg/~mun_hon/tarot/major.htm#fool
It is a card of profound but veiled significance. Its symbolism points to divinity, linking it to the death of Christ in Christianity and the stories of Osiris (Egyptian Mythology) and Mithras (Roman Mythology). In all of these stories, the destruction of self brings life to humanity; on the card, these are symbolized respectively by the hanged man and the living tree from which he swings. Hence, the Hanged Man represents the sanctity of all existence and its need for salvation by self-sacrifice. Its relationship to the other cards usually involves personal loss for a greater gain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hanged_Man
I think that sounds like Snape?
firephoenix
Aug 20 2005, 10:20 PM
QUOTE
The Hanged Man
A spiritual quest; this person is seeking knowledge and spiritual gain. In the Norse tarot, this card is represented by Odin hanging from the tree of Yggdrasil and grasping the runes, which signify knowledge and wisdom. Reversed: Not seeing the spiritual side of a situation; maybe not realising how important something is. This is a difficult card to give a general interpretation to; it is different in every reading.
hmmm.... LV must be reversed.
I went off of Harry's birthsign and this is I got;
The Tarot card - Strength
The modern interpretation of the card stresses discipline and control. The lion represents the primal 'id' part of the mind, and the woman the 'higher' parts. The card tells the querant to be wary of the temptations of the flesh. As in The Chariot card, the querant is fighting a battle. The difference is that in Strength, the battle is mainly internal rather than external.
Who has all told harry this? Mad eye moody/Crouch Jr., DD, Sirius, Lupin, SNAPE (over and over) can you think of any more?
His Rune
Wunjo: (W or V: Joy.) Joy, comfort, pleasure. Fellowship, harmony, prosperity. Ecstasy, glory, spiritual reward, but also the possibility of going "over the top". If restrained, the meaning is general success and recognition of worth. Wunjo Reversed or Merkstave: Stultification, sorrow, strife, alienation. Delirium, intoxication, possession by higher forces, impractical enthusiasm. Raging frenzy, berzerker.
or
WUNJO - W or V: Bliss and Glory
You do not Need anybody. Peace, pleasure, self-worth, joy and serenity, happy results, harmony, prosperity
Reversed: Sorrow, dissatisfaction, disappointment, friction, delay, possession by higher forces
D - This rune is the P! Right now maybe Harry is the reverse and he needs to turn in around.
His Gods
Freyr (fray-er), Frey, Fro, Ingve-Frey - ("The Lord") Vana-God, brother-consort of Freya; son of Njord and Njord's sister, Nerthus. Fertility and creativity God; God of Yule; God of wealth and peace and contentment. Blood was not allowed to be spilled through violence, nor where weapons or outlaws allowed on or in his holy places. He owns the boar, Gullinbursti, the ship, Skidbladnir, and a magic sword, that moves by itself through the air. Gerd, a Giantess, is his wife. Sensual love, fertility, growth, abundance, wealth, bravery, horses, boars, protector of ships and sailors, peace, joy happiness, rain, beauty, weather, guarantor of oaths, groves, sunshine, plant growth, sex. He ruled over the land of the light elves, Alfheim. He is also the ancestor of the royal bloodline of the Yngling family, early rulers of Norway/Sweden/Denmark.
Yep, that's one of DD's too. And...
Alfar - ON plural of Alf. [pronounced "owl-var"] The Elves, which are divided into three races Ljosalfar, Dokkalfar, and Svartalfar, or Light Elves, Dark Elves and Black Elves, the last also called Dwarves. Black Elves are commonly though to be the cause of sickness; their arrows (Elf-shot) cause stroke and paralysis. All of the Alfar are wise magicians. They will frequently take an interest in individual humans, as shown by such names as Alfred (Elf-counsel), Aelfgifu (Elf-gift), and so forth The Alfar are also unpredictable, taking pleasure or offense at the slightest things; your manners and bearing are exceedingly important in dealing with these wights.
I couldn't find much on the light elves, but I did find this;
It is said that another heaven is to the southward and upward of this one, and it is called Andlang [Andlangr 'Endlong'] but the third heaven is yet above that, and it is called Vídbláin [Vídbláinn 'Wide-blue'] and in that heaven we think this abode is. But we believe that none but Light-Elves inhabit these mansions now.
In a odd way this makes sense that this is one of Harry's Gods. So, do you think we found Harry?
Arianhrod
Aug 22 2005, 08:58 AM
Ljossalfheim - The Realm of the Light Elves
The elves were also called álfar. The elves were a race of mythical beings, who were, in a way, lesser deities. They weren't exactly gods in the normal sense, but they did possessed powers. They are similar to Roman household deities, such as the Penates and Lares, where people prayed to them to protect home and household.
I found the Norse creation myth:
Ymir
There was nothing in the beginning but seemingly almost endless chasm called the Ginnungagap. Ginnungagap was a void like the Greek Chaos. Ginnungagap was bordered by Niflheim, far to the north, and Muspelheim, far to the south. Out of this chaos the first being came into existence from the drop of water when ice from Niflheim and fire from Muspelheim met.
This first being was Ymir, a primeval giant. The frost-giants called him Aurgelmir, but everyone else called him Ymir. Ymir became father of a race of frost-giants.
Ymir was the father of six-headed son that was nourished by a cosmic cow called Audumla. Audumla fed herself by licking the salty rime-stone, until that stone was licked into a shape of man. This stone-man was named Buri and he was the first primeval god. Buri was the father of Bor.
Bor married the giantess Bestla, the daughter of the frost-giant Boltha. And they became the parents of the first Aesir gods Odin, Vili (Hoenir) and Ve.
Ymir grew so large and so evil that the three gods killed Ymir. The blood that flowed from Ymir's wound was so great that almost all the frost giants drowned in the torrent. Only the frost giants Bergelmer and his wife escape the flood in a chest, arriving on the mountain of Jötunheim (Jotunheim), which became the home of the giants.
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Yggdrasill and the Nine Worlds
Odin and his brothers then used Ymir's body to create the universe. This universe comprises of nine worlds. They placed the body over the void called Ginnungagap.
They used his flesh for creating the earth and his blood for the sea. His skull, held up by four dwarves (Nordri, Sudri, Austri, and Vestri), was used to create the heaven. Then using sparks from Muspelheim, the gods created the sun, moon and stars. While Ymir's eyebrows were used to create a place where the human race could live in; a place called Midgard (Middle Earth).
A great ash tree called Yggdrasill ("World Tree") supported the universe, with roots that connects the nine worlds together. One root of Yggdrasill extends to Muspelheim ("world of fire"), while another root to Niflheim (the "world of cold"). Niflheim was sometimes confused with Niflhel, which was also known as Hel, was the world of the dead. Hel was sometimes used interchangeably with Niflheel by many writers, as the world of the dead.
While one root was connected to Asgard (home of the Aesir), another root to Vanaheim (home of the Vanir). The frost giants lived Jötunheim (Jotunheim). Midgard was the world for human. Alfheim was home of the light elves (ljósálfar). There was also the underground world for the black elves (svartálfar), called Svartalfheim. The dwarves inhabited the world of Nidavellir.
Besides the three roots of Yggdrasill, there were three wells.
The Norns guarded the Urdarbrunnr, which is often known as "Weird's Well" or "Urda's Well". The Weird's Well was considered to be very holy. The Norns were Urda or Weird ("Past"), Verdandi ("Present") and Skuld ("Future"). Two swans drink from this well.
The Norns cared for the root near the Weird's Well. Every day, they take water from the holy well, pouring on the root and soil, so that at least this root doesn't rot or decay likes the other root. The mud was white in colour. This white mud caused honeydew to fall to the earth, keeping the valley around the well to be forever green.
Each day, the Aesir sit at the court at Weird's Well. Horses take the Aesir to this court. Odin rides Sleipnir. Ten other horses were given names: Glad, Gyllir, Glćr, Skeidbrimir, Silfrtopp, Sinir, Gils, Falhofnir, Gulltopp (belonging to Heimdall) and Lettfet. Balder's horse was burned with him. Apart from Sleipnir and Gulltopp, no specific horses were assigned to a particular god. The Aesir must ride across Bifrost (Rainbow Bridge) to reach Weird's Well.
Thor doesn't bother to ride to attend the court. Thor walked and waded through the rivers, Kormat and Ormt and two Kerlaugs.
The second well was Mímisbrunnr (Mimisbrunnr) or the "Well of Mimir", which was also known as the "Well of Knowledge". The well was said to be guarded by the Aesir god named Mimir, a Norse god of wisdom. See the Well of Knowledge in the Search for Wisdom.
The third well was called Hvergelmir or "Roaring Kettle", where a giant serpent called Nidhogg, continuously gnaws at the root of Niflheim. Eventually, Nidhogg will eat its way through the root that will cause Yggdrasill to collapse. But this won't happen until Ragnarok finally arrived. Nidhogg also liked sucking on the bodies of the dead.
There are many other animals that dwelled around Yggdrasill. Apart from Nidhogg, there were countless snakes living with the great serpent. From above, four harts or stags feed on the foliage. The harts were given the names of Dain, Duneyr, Durathror and Dvalin. So with Nidhogg feed on one root from above, the stags feed from above, while the side of the tree rotted, Yggdrasill suffered greatly.
Perched on one of the branches was a great eagle, wise beyond its years. A hawk, called Vedrfolnir sit between the eyes of the eagle. Not only that. There was a squirrel called Ratatosk who seemed to enjoy running up and down the great ash tree, delivering malicious messages between the eagle from above and Nidhogg below.
A lot of connection with Middle Earth, eh?
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