Okay, friends - I thought this might be a good place to try out a theory. I'll write more later (I'm at work right now!), but over the weekend I spent listening to the CD's of Book VI. I was out on the porch, with a Diet Coke in my hand, listening to the story unfold when suddenly I jumped up, Diet Coke splashing everywhere and said out loud to the cats that were stalking the garden below "Oh my God, Draco Malfoy is a werewolf!"
Could this be possible? What if his arm hurts in the clothing shop in Diagon Alley not because he's been given the dark mark (I mean, come on - his father has majorly screwed up by not only managing to get one of the Horcrux's destroyed - the Diary - but the prophesy as well at the Department of Mysteries - Lucius being locked up in Azkaban is not punishment enough from Voldemort's point of view, now is it?). It's not the dark mark that hurts Draco's arm while he's being fitted for new robes, it's where he was bitten (probably by Fenrir Greyback).
What completely caught my attention is that both Draco and Lupin are described in similar ways through out the book. Draco speaks about Greyback in the shop in Diagon Alley. And Draco has a very strange reaction to seeing Greyback when he arrives on the Astronomy Tower.
Also, Jo Rowling has said that there was at least one scene in the third film that gave her chills because it foreshadows something no one has seen yet. In the third film, during the scene when Snape is teaching the DADA class for Lupin, he tells the class that the topic is going to be werewolves. When he says this - Draco howls just like a werewolf. Could this be the scene Jo is talking about?
What do you think? Could this be possible?
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yeah, I had actually thought this, as well.
When Harry assumes that Malfoy is showing the shopkeeper in knockturn alley his dark mark, what if he is actually showing him his bite?
When Harry assumes that Malfoy is showing the shopkeeper in knockturn alley his dark mark, what if he is actually showing him his bite?
Yes, and notice that Draco is looking sick through the year, even Harry notices it. Harry thinks it's because he's spending all this time inside. But the description is very much like how Lupin is described as well. Compare those descriptions. And notice as well that while Draco boasts that he knows Greyback in the store in Knockturn Alley, his reaction is quite different when Greyback shows up on the Astronomy Tower. He seems frightened. Why?
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his reaction is quite different when Greyback shows up on the Astronomy Tower. He seems frightened. Why?
Well, who wouldn't be frightened of Greyback? I'd rather kick Voldemort in the shins than kick Greyback, and I haven't been bitten...yet...
It may be right that Draco has been looking ill and is frightened of Greyback but why would he show his bite to the Knockturn Alley shopkeeper?
didn't he say "do you know what would happen to you?" or something along the lines of a threat?
I think Draco was afraid of Greyback since he knows he kills children mainly (I guess this includes him since he's only 16) and it was right after DD had asked why Draco bought him with him, knowing his friends were sleeping in the castle. Draco was worried for his friends, and didn't paticularil want him roaming the school, killing people. He couldn't kill DD either. Draco isn't a killer. I don't think he's a werewolf either, I mean his behaviour can be explained by the fact that he was under a LOT of stress, and JKR has said in an interview that he had the dark mark, so I think that's what he showed the shopkeeper. As for the foreshadowing in the film, that's a really good idea and I think it might mean that Draco might get bit in the 7th book. But he isn't a werewolf now, or he would be missing lessons and stuff, which he isn't. It's like the Snape is a vampire theory lol
I actually started a thread similar to this awhile back.... it was related to the scene atop the Astronomy tower, when DD finds out that Fenrir Greyback is at Hogwarts. This is the exchange between DD and Malfoy
"And, yes, I am a little shocked that Draco here invited you, of all people, into the school where his friends live...."
"I didn't," breathed Malfoy. He was not looking at Fenrir; he didn ot seem to want to even glance at him. "I didn't know he was going to come -" pg. 595, US version
Why "of all people" and why was Malfoy so terrified of Greyback? It could be that Greyback bit Malfoy and he's a werewolf OR it could simply be because he is a terrifying character, and Malfoy actually did threated Borgin with the dark mark and the reason Malfoy was so sickly looking was because he was so worried about not completing the task and being murdered by LV. I do not know which camp I fall in to.
"And, yes, I am a little shocked that Draco here invited you, of all people, into the school where his friends live...."
"I didn't," breathed Malfoy. He was not looking at Fenrir; he didn ot seem to want to even glance at him. "I didn't know he was going to come -" pg. 595, US version
Why "of all people" and why was Malfoy so terrified of Greyback? It could be that Greyback bit Malfoy and he's a werewolf OR it could simply be because he is a terrifying character, and Malfoy actually did threated Borgin with the dark mark and the reason Malfoy was so sickly looking was because he was so worried about not completing the task and being murdered by LV. I do not know which camp I fall in to.
QUOTE(Hell's_Spells @ Aug. 08 2005,19:45 )
I think Draco was afraid of Greyback since he knows he kills children mainly (I guess this includes him since he's only 16) and it was right after DD had asked why Draco bought him with him, knowing his friends were sleeping in the castle. Draco was worried for his friends, and didn't paticularil want him roaming the school, killing people.
I think you give Draco too much credit. I don't think he gives a lick about his "friends", if that's what you can call them. I think he only cares about himself and his parents. I don't think Draco is disturbed by Greyback's presence b/c he's worried about the safety of his friends. That's just not the Draco I've come to know.
Isn't he missing lessons and not turning in his homework? Doesn't Professor McGonagul tell Harry that Draco wasn't in Hogmeade because he was doing detention with her for poor performance in Transfigurations? And doesn't Draco miss the Quidditch game suddenly - and makes no attempt to reschedule it?
Why does he bring up Greyback in the store and show Borgin his arm?
Also, it's clear he's not afraid of the other Death Eaters, just Greyback - and any one of them could kill Draco and anyone in the castle. If Greyback is a "friend of the family" why does Draco react so strangely on the Astronomy Tower when the werewolf shows up?
The other point is that Lucius has majorly screwed up, big time. Voldemort must have done something to punish him. Giving his son the Dark Mark isn't exactly punishment - it would be a reward for good service, that Voldemort wants Draco in his inner circle (not every follower of Voldemort has a Dark Mark, remember). No, it seems that Lucius has to have been punished for his failure - both the destruction of the Diary with a piece of Voldemort's soul, for goodness said, and also the destruction of the prophesy. What better way to punish Lucius then to send Greyback to Draco and do the dirty deed. Now Lucius (and Narcissa) - if they ever have grandchildren - will have cursed grandchildren. It's awful, awful, awful - and help us understand why Draco would go to such means as kill Dumbledore and weep in the boy's bathroom.
Possible?
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Why does he bring up Greyback in the store and show Borgin his arm?
Also, it's clear he's not afraid of the other Death Eaters, just Greyback - and any one of them could kill Draco and anyone in the castle. If Greyback is a "friend of the family" why does Draco react so strangely on the Astronomy Tower when the werewolf shows up?
The other point is that Lucius has majorly screwed up, big time. Voldemort must have done something to punish him. Giving his son the Dark Mark isn't exactly punishment - it would be a reward for good service, that Voldemort wants Draco in his inner circle (not every follower of Voldemort has a Dark Mark, remember). No, it seems that Lucius has to have been punished for his failure - both the destruction of the Diary with a piece of Voldemort's soul, for goodness said, and also the destruction of the prophesy. What better way to punish Lucius then to send Greyback to Draco and do the dirty deed. Now Lucius (and Narcissa) - if they ever have grandchildren - will have cursed grandchildren. It's awful, awful, awful - and help us understand why Draco would go to such means as kill Dumbledore and weep in the boy's bathroom.
Possible?
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I think you give Draco too much credit. I don't think he gives a lick about his "friends", if that's what you can call them. I think he only cares about himself and his parents. I don't think Draco is disturbed by Greyback's presence b/c he's worried about the safety of his friends. That's just not the Draco I've come to know.
Well maybe he doesn't care about them like Harry cares about his friends for example, but I don't think he would like it if they died either. I feel kinda sorry for Draco now actually, I know he's not a nice person but he does care about people, like his family (although he was probably more worried about himself than his friends at that point) and he couldn't kill DD. I think the whole tough guy act is just a front. In this book we get the impression that he is just a young boy who is being put under way too much pressure, and can't handle it. we see that he is not made of stone, like when he is crying to Myrtle, and I do think he does care abot his friends a bit at least, I mean, he's not like Tom Riddle is he? Harry doesn't hate Draco half as much anymore either, so I think his part in the next book will be more on the side of good, or he'll just have a major breakdown or be killed by LV or something lol.
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it was related to the scene atop the Astronomy tower, when DD finds out that Fenrir Greyback is at Hogwarts. This is the exchange between DD and Malfoy
"And, yes, I am a little shocked that Draco here invited you, of all people, into the school where his friends live...."
"I didn't," breathed Malfoy. He was not looking at Fenrir; he didn ot seem to want to even glance at him. "I didn't know he was going to come -" pg. 595, US version
Why "of all people" and why was Malfoy so terrified of Greyback? It could be that Greyback bit Malfoy and he's a werewolf OR it could simply be because he is a terrifying character, and Malfoy actually did threated Borgin with the dark mark and the reason Malfoy was so sickly looking was because he was so worried about not completing the task and being murdered by LV. I do not know which camp I fall in to.
"And, yes, I am a little shocked that Draco here invited you, of all people, into the school where his friends live...."
"I didn't," breathed Malfoy. He was not looking at Fenrir; he didn ot seem to want to even glance at him. "I didn't know he was going to come -" pg. 595, US version
Why "of all people" and why was Malfoy so terrified of Greyback? It could be that Greyback bit Malfoy and he's a werewolf OR it could simply be because he is a terrifying character, and Malfoy actually did threated Borgin with the dark mark and the reason Malfoy was so sickly looking was because he was so worried about not completing the task and being murdered by LV. I do not know which camp I fall in to.
This is excellent sluething. I too am just as bewildered. Harry makes the case for us that it's the Dark Mark, but really - I can't understand why Voldemort would reward the son of Lucius, the major screwup, by making him part of his inner circle. It doesn't make sense. What does seem to make sense is the context in Borgin's shop - of bringing up Greyback, of bragging the family ties, of showing his arm, of threatening the same - and then contrast that with the scene you mention on the Astronomy Tower. "You of all people." What does that mean - except in context that Draco is one of Greyback's victims.
I'm sorry I don't have book here with me - but it's also interesting to compare and contrast how Draco is described as he looks sicker and how Lupin is described. It's very interesting. Grey and thin.
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PS - Also, doesn't this make Draco far more dangerous in Book Seven if he is indeed a werewolf who's come of age? Will Lupin find him underground in London in Book Seven?
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Making Draco a DE wasn't a reward it was punishment. His assignment was to kill DD, something he had little chance of succeeding at, and would probibly mean Draco's death. If it hadn't been for Snape, he would have failed. Plus, LV doesn't have an inner circle, something DD stressed over and over. I don't know about Draco being a werewolf, but I don't think the logic of 'why would LV make him part of his inner circle' holds true.
QUOTE(brendanjlane @ Aug. 08 2005,6:45 pm)
Making Draco a DE wasn't a reward it was punishment. His assignment was to kill DD, something he had little chance of succeeding at, and would probibly mean Draco's death. If it hadn't been for Snape, he would have failed. Plus, LV doesn't have an inner circle, something DD stressed over and over. I don't know about Draco being a werewolf, but I don't think the logic of 'why would LV make him part of his inner circle' holds true.
Yes, Lucius's punishment for failing could be that his son would become a DE, and be given a task that Narcissa went crying to snape about because she knows he could easily fail and die at. I mean, Draco is given the task to kill Dumbledore, a task even Voldemort has not yet acheived. Wouldn't you be stressed enough to not attend lessons, or go crying to a ghost about?
Does that make sense?
I found a bit of interview to back up why Draco isn'r a warewolf:
I think this shows that he definately is a proper DE, and so he probably has the mark. Also there's no mention here of something more sinister, all the signs that suggest he might be a warewolf can be explained by the effects of his mission, so i really don't think it's very likely
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MA: He was utterly fascinating in this book.
JKR: Well, I'm glad you think so, because I enjoyed this one. Draco did a lot of growing up in this book as well. I had an interesting discussion, I thought, with my editor Emma, about Draco. She said to me, "So, Malfoy can do Occlumency," which obviously Harry never mastered and has now pretty much given up on doing, or attempting. And she was querying this and wondering whether he should be as good as it, but I think Draco would be very gifted in Occlumency, unlike Harry. Harry’s problem with it was always that his emotions were too near the surface and that he is in some ways too damaged. But he's also very in touch with his feelings about what's happened to him. He's not repressed, he's quite honest about facing them, and he couldn't suppress them, he couldn't suppress these memories. But I thought of Draco as someone who is very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a Death Eater? So he suppresses virtually all of the good side of himself. But then he's playing with the big boys, as the phrase has it, and suddenly, having talked the talk he's asked to walk it for the first time and it is absolutely terrifying. And I think that that is an accurate depiction of how some people fall into that kind of way of life and they realize what they're in for. I felt sorry for Draco. Well, I’ve always known this was coming for Draco, obviously, however nasty he was.
JKR: Well, I'm glad you think so, because I enjoyed this one. Draco did a lot of growing up in this book as well. I had an interesting discussion, I thought, with my editor Emma, about Draco. She said to me, "So, Malfoy can do Occlumency," which obviously Harry never mastered and has now pretty much given up on doing, or attempting. And she was querying this and wondering whether he should be as good as it, but I think Draco would be very gifted in Occlumency, unlike Harry. Harry’s problem with it was always that his emotions were too near the surface and that he is in some ways too damaged. But he's also very in touch with his feelings about what's happened to him. He's not repressed, he's quite honest about facing them, and he couldn't suppress them, he couldn't suppress these memories. But I thought of Draco as someone who is very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a Death Eater? So he suppresses virtually all of the good side of himself. But then he's playing with the big boys, as the phrase has it, and suddenly, having talked the talk he's asked to walk it for the first time and it is absolutely terrifying. And I think that that is an accurate depiction of how some people fall into that kind of way of life and they realize what they're in for. I felt sorry for Draco. Well, I’ve always known this was coming for Draco, obviously, however nasty he was.
I think this shows that he definately is a proper DE, and so he probably has the mark. Also there's no mention here of something more sinister, all the signs that suggest he might be a warewolf can be explained by the effects of his mission, so i really don't think it's very likely
Very interesting theory! Yet another item to put on my list to be checked out and studied. The deeper we study, the more we see. One thing is for certain, Greyback has got to go!
I just wonder how Draco being a werewolf would have any effect on the plot... what would the point of it be? JKR doesn't just throw things in because it would be "cool". So while I see the possibility there... I don't think I could commit to the theory unless I saw that it would matter to the plot in some way.
Draco was afraid of Greyback because Draco is a coward. We've known that much about him for some time.
He probably looked sick because of the incredible burden of stress that is on him - he's clueless as to how to kill Dumbledore, but he has to do it or his family is in big trouble with Voldemort. And on top of all that, his heart really isn't in it in the first place. That's enough to make anyone sick from stress.
He probably looked sick because of the incredible burden of stress that is on him - he's clueless as to how to kill Dumbledore, but he has to do it or his family is in big trouble with Voldemort. And on top of all that, his heart really isn't in it in the first place. That's enough to make anyone sick from stress.
QUOTE(Morsmordre @ Aug. 08 2005,23:10)
Draco was afraid of Greyback because Draco is a coward.
I respectfully disagree. Draco IS afraid of Fenrir Greyback, but not because he is a coward. Given Greyback's long standing history of of being a blood thirsty predator who singles out children to satisfy his desire for human flesh it's understandable why any child, even Draco, would be terrified of Greyback.
And as I said in an identical thread a few weeks ago,
Very compelling arguments for Draco possibly being a werewolf. I agree with the many others who have pointed out that the tremendous stress Draco was under would certainly affect his health and contribute to his sickly appearance. But there are many similarities between Lupin's appearance and Draco's that might be more than coincidence. I thought if Draco wasn't already a werewolf, that by the end of HBP, he would become one, especially when Fenrir Greyback showed up at Hogwarts with the DEs. I wouldn't be surprised if Fenrir showed up at Hogwarts under LV's orders to kill Draco for failing to complete the mission to kill DD. And since Snape completed the task, technically speaking, Greyback may still be under LV's orders to kill Draco.
The possible events foreshadowing Draco becoming a werewolf are also quite interesting. Draco is described as having grey eyes, a quality possessed by many animals. There is the instance in PoA movie where Draco howls like the werewolf during a DADA class discussing werewolves. Also in PS/SS Draco is quite frightened at the prospect of having to serve his detention in the Forbidden Forest because, as he tells Hagrid or Filch (can't remember which one it is now) "there are werewolves in there."
There's the strong possibility that werewolves may have been Draco's worst childhood fear, fueled by the long standing history of Fenrir Greyback terrorizing the Wizard World by attacking children, and that fear has come full circle with Fenrir Greyback possibly having targeted Draco as his next victim.
Speaking of previous identical thread, I've just merged the two werewolf threads.
I noticed in the book that at on point malfoy was described exactly how the vampire at slughorn's party was described, but he was also described as looking sick which made me think of remus.
hmm....
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umm no dont think so if it was true harry since he was spying on him would notice that he would have to leave every full moon and if harry doesnt notice it hermione would...besides we now know that malfloy was in the room of requirement whenever harry couldnt find him on the map
People over the last couple of day's have remarked how Draco resembled the look of being a werewolve and that Greyback could have bitten him. From reading the book again DD tells Harry that Voldy was livid with Lucius for carelessness with the diary that one of the horcruxes had been destroyed. Anyway couldn't have Voldy got Greyback to bit Malfoy as punishment. Also I wonder if this is one of the clues in PoA movie Jo talked about, it's when the are in DADA and Snape is teaching them and Hermione say's something like a werewolve recognises a call of its own kind (not exact words, I can't remember of hand) anyway after she say's it Malfoy makes a werewolve call.
Ok first let me ask, are you taking the mickey? But seriously, i doubt it. Draco, a werewolf? Uh, no. Sorry, but that is as absurd as Snape being a vampire.
Actually I had been thinking this myself. Harry was having the house elf's follow Draco, instead of doing it himself; Hermione and Ron were not interested in doing it. So they might not have noted the times he was missing. Plus he was looking "sickly" most of the book and he got stuck with a *silver* pin at the beginning of the book while he was being fitted for his robes.
He was also crying to Myrtle through out the book. So why was he crying? Because he had to kill DD? No, he might be nervous or scared, but I don't think is a proper response for this. He doesn't like DD, so he should care if he had to die. Is possible he is scared for himself and his family, but I wouldn't think this would cause him cry several times. Only when he was being immediately pressured.
You generally cry because of an event, something happened to cause it. Becoming a werewolf is a reoccurring event something that would cause him to cry several times, especially given his feeling toward werewolves; as opposed to a general overriding feeling of doom.
He was also crying to Myrtle through out the book. So why was he crying? Because he had to kill DD? No, he might be nervous or scared, but I don't think is a proper response for this. He doesn't like DD, so he should care if he had to die. Is possible he is scared for himself and his family, but I wouldn't think this would cause him cry several times. Only when he was being immediately pressured.
You generally cry because of an event, something happened to cause it. Becoming a werewolf is a reoccurring event something that would cause him to cry several times, especially given his feeling toward werewolves; as opposed to a general overriding feeling of doom.
I really don't think Draco would have described Greyback as a friend of the family to Borgin if he had attacked or bitten him.
Well if look at the scene when DD is confronted by the DEs he say's to Greyback "I'm suprised that Draco invited you Greyback" and Malfoy say's that he didn't know Greyback was going to be there and he doesn't look at him.
I had assumed Draco's discomfort was more at having Greyback near him, as he doesn't like none purebloods, and Greyback doesn't caount as pureblood if he's a werewolf.
But that is a new slant, Draco's fear of him was also mixed with anger and despair.
Not convinced, but I can see the logic behind the hypothesis. However, JKR loves giving little 'false' clues to us, so we shall have to wait and see if these are real or false... :headdesk:
But that is a new slant, Draco's fear of him was also mixed with anger and despair.
Not convinced, but I can see the logic behind the hypothesis. However, JKR loves giving little 'false' clues to us, so we shall have to wait and see if these are real or false... :headdesk:
i doubt hes a werewolf
i personally dont think he is really evil, like if voldemort had lily and james as parents he might not be as bad.
if malfoy had been raised better hed turn out ok
as he was told to kill, he didnt really want to, if you notice he trys half heartedly.
i personally dont think he is really evil, like if voldemort had lily and james as parents he might not be as bad.
if malfoy had been raised better hed turn out ok
as he was told to kill, he didnt really want to, if you notice he trys half heartedly.
I really doubt it. Nowhere is it mentioned that Draco has been absent from classes and that, above all, would be a major clue. He looks sick because he's working tirelessly, under immense pressure, to do something that terrifies him, and succeeding at it is just as frightening to him as failing.
I agree with jstrange. I seriously doubt that Malfoy's a werewolf, there really isn't any evidence anywhere to prove it. It's as absurd as the Snape/Vampire one which JKR has said herself is false and a complete waste of time.
Personally, I don't think its very likely that Draco is a werewolf. It just doesn't fit.
he looked sickly cuz he was scared for his life i doubt he is a werewolf i dont think voldy operates like that
QUOTE(rl&nt4evr @ July 21 2005,12:36 )
umm no dont think so if it was true harry since he was spying on him would notice that he would have to leave every full moon and if harry doesnt notice it hermione would...besides we now know that malfloy was in the room of requirement whenever harry couldnt find him on the map
but the shreiking shack is not on the map either :lol:
I was about to make a similiar post but ebouriffee beat me to it I had the same thoughts.
To add...
We don't actually ever see Draco's supposed dark mark so it could indeed have been a werewolf bite that Draco showed Borgin. That is what I assumed throughout reading. This bite however could have been made by Fenrir NOT during a full moon and in that sense Malfoy could be like Bill. He probably has a slight allergy to silver and just feels sick near the full moon instead of transforming.
I had the same thoughts.To add...
We don't actually ever see Draco's supposed dark mark so it could indeed have been a werewolf bite that Draco showed Borgin. That is what I assumed throughout reading. This bite however could have been made by Fenrir NOT during a full moon and in that sense Malfoy could be like Bill. He probably has a slight allergy to silver and just feels sick near the full moon instead of transforming.
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Greyback bit Draco. It is not the dark mark Draco was hiding under his sleeve as Harry thought, but the bite. It is the bite he shows to Borgin in the shop. Greyback may be a familly friend, but he loves the taste of children and bites even when not transformed (see the dialogue at the end between DD and Greyback). He might have been invited at the Malfoys and couldn't resist the taste of young Draco, or he could be following Voldemort's orders to bite Draco out of revenge for Lucius. Also, Draco is unhappy to see Greyback at the end...because he resents him for having bit him! However, the most important clues are the simptoms Draco displays since they are EXACTLY the same Lupin displays in The Prisoner of Azkaban: Loss of weight, greyish skin and dark circles under the eyes. Are you all convinced now??
Malfoy showed something to Borgin that frightened him. Then Malfoy tells him that there will be retribution if he tells any one about what he just showed him, and finally he says that Grey back is a family friend who might drop by to check on Borgin....Harry thinks it is the dark mark that frightened Borgin, but why then mention Greyback...JK Rowling has showed many times that there is no fluff in her writting, on the contrary, even little details end up being important...and this is hardly a detail. Malfoy being sick with the same simptoms as Lupin. Over Christmas, Lupin has a conversation with Harry which is the point in my reading that gave me all these ideas, later confirmed...Lupin says Greyback specializes in children and that Voldemort has threatened to unleash him upon people's son's and daughter's which usually produces good results...I beleive malfoy was bit out of punishment towards Lucius. I also think DD and Snape knew that and were both protective of Draco, but that is discussed in different threads...
I like this theory. I've been trying to think why being stressed would make Malfoy look gray.
Plus, Snape was complaining about him not showing up to his office. He could've been making him the Wolfsbane potion all year so that Malfoy could curl up in the RoR all night, but be OK for classes during the day. In PoA, Lupin came back the next moring after transforming, so it's possible to be a werewolf and not miss classes.
I won't be surpirsed if he only looked sickly because of stress, but I also won't be surprised if he was bitten. Nice work everyone.
Plus, Snape was complaining about him not showing up to his office. He could've been making him the Wolfsbane potion all year so that Malfoy could curl up in the RoR all night, but be OK for classes during the day. In PoA, Lupin came back the next moring after transforming, so it's possible to be a werewolf and not miss classes.
I won't be surpirsed if he only looked sickly because of stress, but I also won't be surprised if he was bitten. Nice work everyone.
At first I wasn't sure about all the specualtion but then I remebered something. In the middle of HPB, Harry notices something that seems innocuous but is actually quite telling:
"Like Tonks, Malfoy seemed to be getting thinner."
This is not the exact quote but it was the same idea. At first, I thought Tonks and Malfoy were doing something with Polyjuice or morphing but of course at the end, you realize that Tonks is suffering from unrequited love and is morphing into a version of Lupin either inadvertently or to show him that she loves him.
Therefore, knowing that Tonks appearence alludes to Lupin I don't think JK would just randomly mention the similarities like that.
Also, there is a scene in the movie PoA where Malfoy howls like a werewolf. We also know that JK has said that there are things in the movie that the audience thought was foreshadowing for the last two movies.
I am utterly convinced that Draco is a werewolf after having read these posts. It's just too much evidence to be coincidence!
"Like Tonks, Malfoy seemed to be getting thinner."
This is not the exact quote but it was the same idea. At first, I thought Tonks and Malfoy were doing something with Polyjuice or morphing but of course at the end, you realize that Tonks is suffering from unrequited love and is morphing into a version of Lupin either inadvertently or to show him that she loves him.
Therefore, knowing that Tonks appearence alludes to Lupin I don't think JK would just randomly mention the similarities like that.
Also, there is a scene in the movie PoA where Malfoy howls like a werewolf. We also know that JK has said that there are things in the movie that the audience thought was foreshadowing for the last two movies.
I am utterly convinced that Draco is a werewolf after having read these posts. It's just too much evidence to be coincidence!
I don't think he's a werewolf. I think that Voldy keeps the big threats like that back, so he can keep Draco scared. It's a very evil thing; makes me shudder to think of this little boy from an orphanage growing up to become Voldemort.
Stress and weariness are the reasons Professor Lupin looks the way he does. Malfoy didn't have to be a werewolf to suffer stress in HBP. At first he was cocky about his task, but as the year went on it began to dawn on him what he would have to do. He's just a sixteen or seventeen year old boy - he wasn't a murderer. He must have felt ill every time he thought about it. He began to hope for failure, but failure would mean death by Voldemort. He was trapped. He was panicked. I don't think it was peculiar if this caused him to cry several times, even without specific provocation (although Snape mithering him would have been provocation enough).
Having said that, Draco being a werewolf is a good idea.
Having said that, Draco being a werewolf is a good idea.
Yes I also think that maybe Snape was asking him to come to his office to give him the potion, and the fact that Malfoy wasn't going and still not transforming was probably because he got bit by a non-transformed Greyback like Bill has...
What I didn't say in my previous posts is that I actually went back to find the passages in Prizoner of Azkaban and compared Lupin's simptoms with Draco's symptoms.
1. Prisoner of Azkaban
Lupin in chap5: "They illuminated his tired, grayface..
Lupin in Chap10: "His old robes were hanging more loosely on him and there were dark shadows beneath his eyes..."
2.Half Blood Prince
Draco in chap15:" he now saw that Malfoy had dark shadows under his eyes and a distinguished grayish tinge to his skin"
Draco in chap22:"was it his imagination, or did Malfoy, like Tonks, look thinner? Certainly lokked paler; his skin had that grayish tinge..."
1. Prisoner of Azkaban
Lupin in chap5: "They illuminated his tired, grayface..
Lupin in Chap10: "His old robes were hanging more loosely on him and there were dark shadows beneath his eyes..."
2.Half Blood Prince
Draco in chap15:" he now saw that Malfoy had dark shadows under his eyes and a distinguished grayish tinge to his skin"
Draco in chap22:"was it his imagination, or did Malfoy, like Tonks, look thinner? Certainly lokked paler; his skin had that grayish tinge..."
That's what I was saying his apperance was very similar to Lupin's and also Snape could have brewed the potion for him.
I believe that Draco would be under a lot of stress due to Voldemorts threats. This could cause a boy of only 16 or 17 to cry, loose weight, and look ill. I never would of thought he was a werewolf though, until now I think that it is an excellent point. Even if Greyback bit him and Draco hated him, Draco would have to get over it and get along with Greyback because of fear of Voldemort killing him and his family.
QUOTE(Red Siren @ July 30 2005,23:14 )
If Draco were to indeed kill Greyback, even if it wasn't in the name of the Order, perhaps out of self-defense or to protect those he loves, he would earn the admiration and respect of many. 
And those of us who are already Malfoy fans would have more reason to celebrate.
And those of us who are already Malfoy fans would have more reason to celebrate. If the Draco Wearwolf twist were to happen, do you think she'd let Greyback be killed by Lupin or Draco tho...? I'd definatly enjoy Lupin doing the dirty deed... but, Draco could be redeemed hmm :ponder:
Excellent points, Lord Montymort and ebouriffee! Very compelling arguments for Draco possibly being a werewolf. I agree with the many others who have pointed out that the tremendous stress Draco was under would certainly affect his health and contribute to his sickly appearance. But there are many similarities between Lupin's appearance and Draco's that might be more than coincidence. I thought if Draco wasn't already a werewolf, that by the end of HBP, he would become one, especially when Fenrir Greyback showed up at Hogwarts with the DEs. I wouldn't be surprised if Fenrir showed up under LV's orders to kill Draco for failing to complete the mission to kill DD.
The possible events foreshadowing Draco becoming a werewolf are also quite interesting. Draco is described as having grey eyes, a quality possessed by many animals. There is the instance in PoA movie where Draco howls like the werewolf during a DADA class discussing werewolves. Also in PS/SS Draco is quite frightened at the prospect of having to serve his detention in the Forbidden Forest because, as he tells Hagrid or Filch (can't remember which one it is now) "there are werewolves in there."
There's the strong possibility that werewolves may have been Draco's worst childhood fear, fueled by the long standing history of Fenrir Greyback terrorizing the Wizard World by attacking children, and that fear has come full circle with Fenrir Greyback possibly having targeted Draco as his next victim.
Finally, to all those who have voiced their disagreement about this theory by stating "This is ridiculous", "This is absurd. . " or "This is stupid. . .", you are quite welcome to disagree with someone, but that does not entitle you to insult or berate someone who holds an opinion different from yours or with whom you disagree. See TLC's THE RULES for appropriate conduct, especially with regard to language, in these forums.
WHY THANK YOU Red Siren for your support on the theory, and yeah listen to what Siren say's at the end of the post I respected your opinion's and never called your's stupid.
Wow, I hidn't thought about Draco being a werewolf.
I suppose that would create an interesting meeting in book 7. But if it's true could Draco possible redeem himself by killing Greyback in the name of the Order or something like that?
Not sure if he is one though. I understand those passages sited as clues, but are we just picking at threads I wonder? On the other hand, it would make for a great new twist.
I think I'll have to go back and re-read!!! Well thought up guys!
I suppose that would create an interesting meeting in book 7. But if it's true could Draco possible redeem himself by killing Greyback in the name of the Order or something like that?
Not sure if he is one though. I understand those passages sited as clues, but are we just picking at threads I wonder? On the other hand, it would make for a great new twist.
I think I'll have to go back and re-read!!! Well thought up guys!
QUOTE(loulx @ July 30 2005,06:32 )
Wow, I hidn't thought about Draco being a werewolf.
I suppose that would create an interesting meeting in book 7. But if it's true could Draco possible redeem himself by killing Greyback in the name of the Order or something like that?
Not sure if he is one though. I understand those passages sited as clues, but are we just picking at threads I wonder? On the other hand, it would make for a great new twist.
I think I'll have to go back and re-read!!! Well thought up guys!
I suppose that would create an interesting meeting in book 7. But if it's true could Draco possible redeem himself by killing Greyback in the name of the Order or something like that?
Not sure if he is one though. I understand those passages sited as clues, but are we just picking at threads I wonder? On the other hand, it would make for a great new twist.
I think I'll have to go back and re-read!!! Well thought up guys!
If Draco were to indeed kill Greyback, even if it wasn't in the name of the Order, perhaps out of self-defense or to protect those he loves, he would earn the admiration and respect of many.
And those of us who are already Malfoy fans would have more reason to celebrate.
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