Hi everybody,

The new poll is a continuation of the first part about the Slytherin Locket. Now, let's ponder over the fate of the Hufflepuff cup, the former possession of Hepzibah Smith...tell us where you think it is hidden and why!!

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Okay, I have this crazy theory that the cup is somewhere under Gringott's in the tunnels that only the goblins know how to navigate. I can't decide for sure if it is in Voldemort's vault [assuming he has one] or if it is just in some other random place under there [like maybe Voldemort found a DE stupid enough to store it for him] but I do think in some way it is at Gringott's.

I think this is where Bill Weasley is going to fit into the equation and also wizard relations with Goblins. Goblins have been mentioned too many times for me not to be suspicious they will play a role in book 7, and I think a combination of their magic along with Bill's cursebreaker abilities will be what gets Harry this horcrux, so I voted Order of the Phoenix member finding it for Harry.


Let's hear everyone else's theories

My boyfriend had a goofy idea yesterday when I was babbling about horcruxes. He said, "Why can't Harry just walk past the Room of Requirement and say 'I need a horcrux?'" I don't actually think that's how it would end.. that's just too goofy and easy.. but.. in theory, shouldn't it work?

Interesting Ideas....

From what I can remember, Hepzibah's family realised the cup was missing, so I don't think they would have inherited it, and I think that would be the only reason for the cup ending up in Gringotts. I don't think the goblins are very forthcoming either, so if the cup was in Gringotts HP would need to specifically ask for it, and have a key to the vault it was in.


As for the RoR idea, that's an excellent suggestion. It really fits in well with the overall story too. It would be a great way to get HP back to Hogwarts for the final showdown (assuming he intends not to go back in his final year, and goes back to Goderics Hollow etc instead). I was wondering if the RoR only accumulates things that are already in Hogwarts though? I'm not 100% sure of this, but when the DA meetings were going on, I got the impression that the faux glass, and sneakoscope, and all those things were the ones Moody was using in GoF.

Also, if it were that easy, why didn't DD use it to find the ring, and the other horcruxes for that matter...he had spent ages trying to find that ring.

I was debating whether the cup could have ended up in No.12, in Kreachers treasure trove.

Another theory I have is that acquiring a valuable cup like that would be right up Mundungus' Alley!
I think that may be why DD wanted Mundungus in the order in the 1st place, and as we saw in the HBP that he has robbed cups from No.12 GP....wouldn't that be a fun hint from JK?

I am sure there is a limit on what the Room of Requirements can contain. It is probably limited to objects in the castle, or generic objects that can be conjured. Thus I doubt you could get it to obtain specific things like horcruxes for you, though it would probably contain things like books on curse breaking, and discovering concealed magic if you tried.
I would be surprised if we have seen any of the hiding places Voldemort fashioned for the horcruxes, because they are in general far too public, though I could see Voldemort creating a hiding place for the cup in Hepzibah's house. I can also see Voldemort following the links between the four houses and the four elements, so the cup hiding place could be underground, but not Gringotts.

What about the Slytherin Common Room?

As for the RoR, Harry could say, "I need to find a room to hide a horcrux", and see what room appears. It will probably be the same one that he hid the potions book in; the one Malfoy worked on the Vanishing Cabinet in.

I chose 'somewhere else' for #1 and 'Harry' for #2.

The cup reminds me of the Holy Grail, so I am going with the 'countryside' location which goes with the 'seaside' location of Tom's youth. The cup & locket were obtained the same time and Tom/LV chose the 'seaside' cave for the locket, so it stands to reason that the cup is at the 'countryside' location, which we have no clue of. I'm leaning towards something like Stonehenge. I'm hoping that Harry somehow locates Dennis Bishop and or Amy Benson or even if he asks the orphanage where they used to go on their outings. I'm surprised why Albus didn't inquire where the orphanage's outings were.

I chose Harry as the one to find the cup, because he knows what it looks like from the pensieve scene.

I can see why people are choosing Mundungus, because I read the scene at 12 GP, where he is asking Sirius about the silver 15th century silver goblets with the Black crest on them. He is rubbing one of the goblets and says that the crest should come 'orf'(off). Also some goblets came spilling out of his suitcase, when he met with Aberforth. But this would mean that Regulus/RAB got the goblet and the locket?? Maybe?

As for obtaining a Horcrux from the RoR, I guess Harry could try this. If the door does not appear, then it is obviously not there. It's worth a try. Harry has a lot of homework ahead of him and he cannot count on anyone except Ron & Hermione, because the Horcrux knowledge is supposed to be kept a secret.

Good point. It would be a risk to hide all horcruxes in the same place, but I think the cave is so well guarded that LV may have risked putting both in the cave. It struck me as odd that there was no cup to put the potion into, in the cave. DD had to conjure a cup. Maybe it was in the cave with the locket, and has ended up in the same place as the locket. (I think probably in No12 or still in the cave).

I should probably clarify an earlier point I made.... I think Mundungus could end up acquiring it accidentally...say by trying to rob No12 again, or finding it in Kreachers stash or something.... but I don't think he will know what it is. I think Harry would realise what it is and take it from him.

You know it somehow makes sense that the cup might have also ended up in the cave, for reasons stated by you and also, I found it strange that Albus found the seaside cave location, but never inquired about the countryside location, unless he did find out the country place and that was to be the next mission, except of course he died.

It would have been a simple matter of asking Mrs. Cole where these places were. How did Albus know where the cave was? Did part of his research include another visit to a retired Mrs. Cole? Did she tell Albus the locations or nearest towns of the orphanage's outings? If Albus was given the knowledge of both the seaside and countryside locations, did he die with the knowledge of the countryside location?
Does the countryside location even matter?

It would be cool if both the locket and cup ended up together, whether at 12GP, Mundungus or Aberforth.

It would also be far too convenient for Harry to be plausible. I can believe one rogue death eater misplacing a horcrux, but if the same thing happens twice, it is starting to make RAB the hero of the story rather than Harry. Harry's work is going to be difficult, and may get one or two lucky breaks, such as the missing locket turning up at 12GP, but he really needs to do most of the work himself, given the secrecy he is going to have to work under.

i voted for LV's vault, as it would be very secure if he was the only one who has the key and the goblins refuse to co-operate.

for the second one, i voted harry, as he's the one who knows what it looks like, although it's not hard to work out, what with that large crest on it...

I have to agree with you SoonerGryffindor after thinking about different theories. Again Harry needs a break because he still has to discover other horcruxes, and I believe after the locket is found and destroyed, the cup is next. Oh, and I should really change my name to RazorbackGryffindor...

I agree with what you say here. I don't think that JKR will bore us either with Harry being able to find half of the horcruxes in the same place. I think it will be a different place each time and of course Nagini will be the last one most likely. I think that will be interesting to see how he will manage to take out Nagini while still fighting LV.

Anyway, back to the cup. I do like the idea of the four elements coming to play in where the things are hidden. Slytherin's locket = water so it is only natural that Hufflepuff's cup = earth. Of course that would mean the thing of Ravenclaws would end up being in the air, now that could be interesting.

i voted for LV's gringott's bank account
i think that it will be Bill who helps find the horcrux...
Harry will need him to go to LV's room because i'm sure he's familiar with it...

I think that it will be somewhere else, specifically somewhere relating to Zacharias smith. I think that he will mention something about his aunt or grandmother (or however she's related to him) Hepzibiah to Harry. Pehaps Harry will then ask him about this relative and where she lived... I think the cup will be back in the house since it had already been searched.

In the Hog's Head, under dirty glasses and plates. That is what I chose. I think that Albus Dumbledore's brother Aberforth is going to come into play. The cup could be in his bar probably soled by Mundungus to Aberforth or something to that extent.

As for the orphanage, I don't think LV do that again. He probably only puts horcruxes in certain areas once and for a specific purpose. The cave was one memory, he wanted to get rid of it so he barried a piece of his soul. I don't think he'd relive his childhood again. Hence the reason why Hogwarts, Borgin and Burkes, and the Riddle House, are good places to hide them. He has specific memories in each of those places.

Can I be buckeyegryffindor???

I think that the locket will definitely be at No12. Do you remember in OotP when they were cleaning out the cabinet they found a locket that couldn't be opened? I think that may be it, but they threw it out. But Kreacher kept snatching things so you never know where it ended up. I agree that it would be way too convenient for 2 things to be at No12. The cup will be somewhere else. I'm not sure where, but I think that Harry will find or be with whoever finds every Horcrux.

I am of firm belief that Zacharias Smith, the annoying Hufflepuff, is related to Hepzibah Smith, the collector of magical oddities, murdered by LV. This would mean that Zacharias is a descendant of Helga Hufflepuff, for Hepzibah was as well. I think that he will help the trio find the cup because i think that the clue to where the cup is has to do with hufflepuff and hermione will figure out the connection between Zacharias and Hepzibah and seek out his help.

Was the ring in Gaunt house? I can't remember... if it wasn't, the cup will be there.

Yes it was. That's the house that LV relatives lived in right. That's where the ring was. I've only read book 6 a couple of times. I will get to it again soon.

I haven't a clue on these questions so I put somewhere else and JKR knows ... Me not.

I have no idea where it will be found, but I strongly believe that Zacharias Smith will have some part in finding it (or maybe his family has it, even though Voldemort would probably already have checked that out.) Zacharias really has no point in the series if he doesn't have a part in finding or providing Harry with Hepzibah's cup (this is assuming that Hepzibah is a relative of Zacharias')

I voted for it being in Gringott's, and for a goblin to find it (because there are some vaults that are only accessible to goblins). We've been waiting since PS/SS to see what major role the goblins are going to have in the series, maybe this is a part of it.

Debbie

ETA: I love the 4 elements idea. Very cool!

I agree about the Hog's Head idea. JKR always mentions that barman cleaning the cups, so its possible that Hufflepuff's cup is somewhere there. We know Snape was there the night of the prophecy... Could he have dropped it off?

well, i think it's too much of a coincidence that zacharias's father was mentioned, of all parents that were undoubtedly there. i'm of the opinion that mr. smith is under the imperius curse, and holding the cup for voldemort. he wants someone to actually protect it, but why would he waste a valuable DE on guard duty, when he can have someone who's imperiused, otherwise mostly useless, and unable to disobey or betray LV. i doubt zacharias knows about this, and we'll finally see a softer and deeper side of him when he finds this out.
as for the RoR in relation to Horcruxes, my theory on that is far more elaborate. voldemort would probably find out about Gryffindor's sword. i believe that RoR pulls stuff from anywhere in Hogwarts. so why not get draco to use the RoR and get Gryffindor's sword, without telling him what it was for. then he can make it into a Horcrux with any of the numerous murders mentioned in HBP, give it back to draco to put back, and there will be an unknown Horcrux right in Dumbledore's office! i think that will be draco's redemption, telling Harry and co. about the sword.

An interesting theory on the Room of Requirement but I don't believe Gryfinndor's Sword can be accessed this way. The question is, how did the Sorting Hat contain it? Did Dumbledore magic the hat in the same fashion as the Mirror of Erised so that only a true Gryfinndor could retrieve it? Where was the sword before? The list goes on and on.

I agree that Draco may redeem himself by telling Harry the location of a Horcrux. Draco and his family would be much better off with LV destroyed.

i read this in JK'S site
she dreamt to be harry and herself in her dream
I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it. As the narrator I knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace, while as Harry I was searching for it in all kinds of other places, while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them

so great hall is a strict no

1.Gringots-we know its got a big hall but does it have a fireplace
2.Ministry of Magic- we know that its got a huge hall and it does have a fireplace
3.ravenclaw dormitory-i dont think they have a huge hall,but they sure must be having a fireplace.
4.some place else, maybe Godrics hollow?
5.your guess???

I think it will be found once again in the Chamber of Secrets the chamber wasn't destroyed as you know, and her dream may have nothing to do with the book or it may be a huge clue. However I am stuck on my theory, LV would have placed it in the baskalist's(sp?) chamber in the big wizard head and he would have thought that no one but him would be able to enter. Now with Dumbledore gone (It pains me to say that) they could easily rampage in their and grab the cup, it would be even easier if the school wasn't opening.

Thank you for your votes, this poll is closed now, please head to the third part about Naginihere.

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