I've been reading all the theories about Harry being or not being a horcrux and something has been bothering me about the arguments,  Slughorn told us that there has to be an incantation said to creat one.  So I went back into GoF to the Priori Incantatem in the graveyard.  A brief discription of what it is: "So what happens when a wand meets its brother?" said Sirius.  "They will not work properly against each other," said Dumbledore. "If, however, the owners of the wands force the wands to do battle...a very rare effect will take place.  One of the wands will force the other to regurgiatate spells it has performed- in reverse."

So here is the reverse order:
the ghost of the hand LV had made Wormtail
Cedric Diggory
Frank Bryce
Bertha Jorkins
Lily Potter
James Potter

and that's all we see.  I put this up thinking it was a good reason to believe Harry is not a horcrux because there would have been evidence from the use of the wand but in making the list I realized that the same argument would also have to be true for Nagini (the snake) not being a horcrux as well, the wand would have been used and thus seen coming out in some way. :ponder:

Hmm... maybe... but that would mean that the first person LV's killed was James... which I find hard to believe.

good  point

The horcrux creation could just be an incantation that does not use a wand.

QUOTE(xx_diesnape @ July 25 2005,9:24 pm)

Hmm... maybe... but that would mean that the first person LV's killed was James... which I find hard to believe.

That's supposed to be an error in the book.  It was rewritten to the correct order in later additions.

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That's supposed to be an error in the book.  It was rewritten to the correct order in later additions.

No, I meant... LV already killed numerous people way before he even found the Potters...

maybe those spells are just spells that LV used to kill with.  or maybe it was just extremely lucky that they came out in that order and they were really just random spells that that wand has performed.  you never know.

QUOTE(xx_diesnape @ July 25 2005,21:24 )

Hmm... maybe... but that would mean that the first person LV's killed was James... which I find hard to believe.

It's not saying James was the first person LV ever killed, Harry just broke the connection at that point (per James' instructions)

i thought that was just the people that had been killed by the spells. I mean... how could u see a spell that had been made like lumos... would a bright light show up or something???

I understood it to mean that priori will recast all previous spells in reverse order. Had Harry held on longer, the spells that Voldemort cast before killing James would have appeared. ( hmm, knowing those spells could prove significant... )

If the horcrux was a spell, then it should have shown up during priori. However, it is "ancient magic", so it might be incantation or something like that that wouldn't show up.

Oh, and James was killed before Lily, the error in some books had James's ... ghost thingy.... showing up before Lily's, suggesting that she died before him, which is wrong. ( that order certainly is significant...)

ok it can't be only people he's died, cause wormtails arm came out to.

SOooo maybe he didn't get 7 before he died BUT maybe he had seven, it was a theory of DD that he saved each of them for an important 'kill'. We don't know who he killed, he may have made his seven important ones before finding out about the prophesy

I agree with the incantation bit. Priori Incantatem is not the same as the spell used to reveal the latest spell cast by a wand.

QUOTE(xx_diesnape @ July 25 2005,9:24 pm)

Hmm... maybe... but that would mean that the first person LV's killed was James... which I find hard to believe.

But didn't DD say that had Harry not broken it, it would have continued.

If you reread the description of spells from LV's wand, you will HEAR screams two different times, evidence of the Crucio spell.  He used it on Harry and at least one of the DE's.  The hand did come out of course.  How many victims would have come out of the wand if Harry had not broken the connection, when James' Echo told him to.  Most of those previous victims would have been unfamiliar to us.  And we now know that the Riddles were killed with Morfin's wand, not LV's.

I have another issue to do with the same scene: when the shades/ghosts came out of the wand james came out first, then Lilly, but since james died before lily it should have been lilly THEN james that came out because the wand was doing all the spells in reverse order.

And it is explained in the book that the past spells would have kept coming out for as long as contact was held.