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ktmac
I am reading book one to my  husband... I know, that sounds weird, but we like to read to each other, and I'm just so happy that he is finally letting me read him Harry Potter!  Now he will know why I am so obsessed with it!  I mean, how can you not be?

BUT, I just started laughing when I read this in book one....

QUOTE
"Could Snape possibly know they'd found out about the Sorcerer's Stone?  Harry didn't see how he could - yet he sometimes had the horrible feeling that Snape could read minds." HP & tSS, pg 221, US version


HA!  And in book five we find out that Snape CAN read minds!  Has anybody else noticed any hints in earlier books that you didn't notice while reading them, but now are glaring and obvious hints for what is to come?  

That JKR!  She's so darn clever!
GoldenPhoenix
She is a very clear women, her writing is just amazing. I will have to have a look through them again I'm sure I have missed lots of important little clues
rhyssa
Heavens, definitely read the books again!  It's absolutely amazing how many little things that originally look like just color turn out later to be important.  Look at Mrs. Figg...for four books she's this batty old cat lady who watches over Harry when the Dursleys want to go have fun, and in Book 5 we find out she's a member of the wizarding community (though a Squib) who's been keeping an eye on Harry for Dumbledore!  I re-read after every new book and find more stuff.
Epona
Well, I am just re-reading book 1 for the moment and it appears to me that concerning Snape the word END is used frequently.  
In the Hat's song the description about Slytherin goes as follows : "Those cunning folk use any means to achieve their ends"
And now in book 6 we have the chapter "Spinner's End" as the location where Snape lives and were he makes the Unbreakable Vow (which could have meant his death)
Is the frequent use of the word END connected to Snape as to predict that he will not survive book 7
Oh, I hope not because I hope that one day he might become the new Headmaster of Hogwarts. :type:
Pumpkin_juice
wow... I am always impressed by you guys who can find these little clues.  It makes me wonder how intentional they really were.  I know JKR says she planned all 7 books out etc.  But we know from interviews that she really just meant she had an idea for the overall story. She hadnt really written/thought of all the little details yet.  So I wonder how many of these clues are intentional or just a lucky fluke.   When she was writing book one did JKR really have in the back of her mind that 5-10 years later in book 5 she would introduce snape as having this mind reading power.
ktmac
And Scabbers missing a toe!  That was clever!  I'm trying to think of other ones.... I know there are just loads of them!
Flash_hound
Maybe she remembers saying that and thought, "Hey wouldn't it be neat if he really could read minds?!"  No but seriously, she prob ably meant it there.  J.K. Rowling is just brilliant like that.  I love re-reading the books because of all the little clues.

Also I forgot to mention that but I saw that too just when I re read it... albeit I probably missed a little as I read it as fast as possible.

(finished it in under 5 hours)
GoldenPhoenix
JKR is a very cleaver writer I think who had all the back ground knowledge of each and every one of the main characters before she started writing, so yes I think all her cluse have cleaverly been laied and deffinatley intended, even though now and agin she slips up.
ktmac
QUOTE(Pumpkin_juice @ July 28 2005,10:46 )
wow... I am always impressed by you guys who can find these little clues.  It makes me wonder how intentional they really were.  I know JKR says she planned all 7 books out etc.  But we know from interviews that she really just meant she had an idea for the overall story. She hadnt really written/thought of all the little details yet.  So I wonder how many of these clues are intentional or just a lucky fluke.   When she was writing book one did JKR really have in the back of her mind that 5-10 years later in book 5 she would introduce snape as having this mind reading power.


Oh, I'd be willing to bet quite a bit of money that JK knew exactly what she was doing!  I think she has all of the books extrememly well planned out!  These are not just flukes... I'm quite confident about that.  Pretty amazing, ay?
zubbaz
wow this is amazing !! im gonna re-read all my boox again :read:
Flash_hound
I don't know, I wonder how well planned out she had all the books when she wrote book 1.  As at that point it seems she wasn't sure it was gonna get published.  She might have had a general idea.  But still, the real plans for the series came before book 2 when authors caught a hold of this WONDERFUL AWSOME AND (using Ron's term) BLOODY BRILLIANT series.  Maybe she always intended that snape gcould read minds, actually, I think she did intend that.  But who knows?  She's probably having a good laugh and patting herself on the back for putting this in her first book and now having us going googly eyed over it.
ktmac
Oh... here's another one!  Harry can speak to that boa constrictor from Brazil in the very beginning of Book one and in book two, we find out he is a parselmouth.  I'm going to keep thinking of more.. . this is fun!
mcgough
One thing I noteiced in book one is when Harry is visiting the Mirror of Erised that DD is there wating for him and tells him that he doesn't need a cloak to become invisible. It makes me believe that DD trusted Snape so implicitly b/c Snape had taken him along as an invisible companion to DE meetings.  It also begs the question how much did DD see when he was invisible that we will be able to see through the Pensieve later.
baldtony
there was a BBC documentary a few years back, and it showed Jo with some of the notes she had made before even starting Book 1. There were reams of the stuff. Family Trees, Historys of all the major characters, the main plot was worked out from the start(so she would know to include bits in earlier books). I really wish she had spoken to George Lucas before 1999 and given him a good talking to
Flash_hound
Haha, ya! (about the talking to the brazillian snake) That was clearly planned, and well planned too, we thought nothing of it at the ti me, but now we know.  I actually like the way that works, she puts things in her book in such a nonchalant way that no one would ever think that it actually meant somthing, "Oh he can talk to snakes, thats nice..."  But then she makes it a important turning point of book 2.  And sirius's motorcycle is another one.  "I got this motorcycle of young Sirius Junior there, outside godric's hallow."  Hmmm Sirius junior? Forshadowing he would come back in the series.
GoldenPhoenix
I had forgoton that DD could make himself invinisable.

How exciting just imagine the possibilities
GoldenPhoenix
I can't wait for JKR to write other things
ktmac
QUOTE(mcgough @ July 28 2005,10:54 )
One thing I noteiced in book one is when Harry is visiting the Mirror of Erised that DD is there wating for him and tells him that he doesn't need a cloak to become invisible. It makes me believe that DD trusted Snape so implicitly b/c Snape had taken him along as an invisible companion to DE meetings.  It also begs the question how much did DD see when he was invisible that we will be able to see through the Pensieve later.


oooo, that's a good one!  I forgot about that!  And in book 5, when Snape is taking one of his OWL test, JK mentions his handwriting... which is very similar to the hand writing of the HBP!
whezzel_usa54
well like the most popular one at the moment...the locket at #12 Grimmauld Place and the locket in the cave...they pop up everywhere

when harry hid in a cupboard in borgin and burkes in CoS and it comes back twice after that...
DJ Doena
I tried to describe it as the Babylon 5 effect: http://www.leakylounge.com/cgi-bin/ikonboa...=ST;f=89;t=7774

Everybody who knows this TV show and watched it more than once will know this effect
ktmac
QUOTE(Flash_hound @ July 28 2005,10:56 )
  she puts things in her book in such a nonchalant way that no one would ever think that it actually meant somthing, "Oh he can talk to snakes, thats nice..."  But then she makes it a important turning point of book 2.  


It's quite amazing really... it just amazes me so much because I could NEVER be so clever. =)  Somebody already mentioned this, but the Mrs. Figg thing really was quite crazy!  And just little things... like how Arthur Weasley mentioned Mundungus in book two, I think, and then he becomes a character in book 5!  And this realy isnt' a big deal, but all of the times JK mentions Fred and George knicking cakes from the kitchen, and in book 5 we find out how easy it was!
Flash_hound
I actually don't think Dumbldore is an Animagus, or else, he might be but doesn't use the ability, as he can just make himself invisible.  Also how they study about registered Animagus and say there are only 7... Then they have a bunch of stuff about them very soon.  It's like we ahve to learn our lessons with the charectors to catch onto the next things. Which is cool.
ktmac
QUOTE(whezzel_usa54 @ July 28 2005,11:00 )
well like the most popular one at the moment...the locket at #12 Grimmauld Place and the locket in the cave...they pop up everywhere

when harry hid in a cupboard in borgin and burkes in CoS and it comes back twice after that...


Oh yeah, duh!  That is a huge one (at least, if the locket is the horcurx... which I think it is!)  And the cupboard... it's mentioned in book 2 and 5!  And look how important it is in book 6!
Flash_hound
Yep, and the necklace, which draco examines, and the hand of glorey, which draco examines to.  And then the guy goes, "Your son has good taste, if you put a candle in that it gives light only to the holder." For for forshadoowing!
ktmac
QUOTE(Flash_hound @ July 28 2005,11:05 )
Yep, and the necklace, which draco examines, and the hand of glorey, which draco examines to.  And then the guy goes, "Your son has good taste, if you put a candle in that it gives light only to the holder." For for forshadoowing!


Good ones! thumbup.gif
Flash_hound
Ok, well i'm gonna continue posting on this thread and reading the CoS... Oo!  The womping willow!
Hedwigger7
Although I haven't verified this yet, someone suggested on another thread that each book mentions a Horcrux.  Has anyone else discovered this?

I think she planned everything out very carefully and purposefully which guarantees (as if it needed it) that the sereis will be a long lived classic.
Flash_hound
No, that is somthing I don't agree with, it would bee too obvious and against her writing style if they did that, some of the books do, obviously, but just becaust Ootp and CoS both mentioned items doesn't mean all of them did.  I think there are quite a few that wern't mentioned.  Thats just my opinion, not to put yours down.  I just don't think thats what she would do, also all the items are hidden, VERY well hidden.  So I doubt you would just see them randomly, as there not obvious items.

Oh and another one, in book one when they mentioned people who's families were killed and tortured... "the McKinnons, the Bones, the Prewetts..."
ktmac
QUOTE(Flash_hound @ July 28 2005,11:10 )
Ok, well i'm gonna continue posting on this thread and reading the CoS... Oo!  The womping willow!


Another good one!  And this sort of ties into it... but the shreiking shack being haunted!  It was really James, Sirius, Peter and Lupin!  HA!  

and then in book 2, when Harry sees Fawkes die in DD's office, DD tells harry that phoenix have healing powers... and at the end of the book... Fawkes saves Harry's life.  And TR thought is was a joke that DD would send Harry the sorting hat and an old bird.  But it was brilliant really!
mcgough
QUOTE(Hedwigger7 @ July 28 2005,11:11 )
Although I haven't verified this yet, someone suggested on another thread that each book mentions a Horcrux.  Has anyone else discovered this?

I think she planned everything out very carefully and purposefully which guarantees (as if it needed it) that the sereis will be a long lived classic.


This is an idea that I really like.  I mean 7 books, 7 horcruxes, the power of 7.  I think that she has showed us all how clever she can be when it comes to foreshadowing.  This is almost so subtle that it's glaring.
Flash_hound
Hahaha, in CoS I happen to be reading about mandrakes, another forshadowing.
mcgough
I mean what if it is just so subtle as to mention Hufflepuffs ghost with a goblet or something on a shelf etc.  I think that this would make for a hindsight 20/20 enjoyment of the books on past the final read.
mcgough
I just re read CoS and noticed that the knocker on DD office door is a griffin.  Could this show us that DD office was Godric Griffyndor's office also.
Flash_hound
But Voldermort wouldn't just leave his stuff lying around is what i'm saying.  And Harry doesn't even leave Hogwarts till book 3!!  I mean, there are a few things I could imagine, but nothing that obvious, like maybe the littlest mention of it, but even that, I don't see that being one of the big things... Like I can see where your coming from, and the mentions of it, but I think she's been trying more to do little clues about how the Horocruzes really are, rather then the actual items.  Thats just my view on it, I could be completly wrong though.
ktmac
Here's another one... when Harry told DD about the encounter he had with Trewlawny making a prophecy about the servant returning to his master... oh, wait, I'm just going to find it.  

QUOTE
"Harry stared up at Dumbledore.  'And then she sort of became normal again, and she couldn't remember anything she'd said.  Was it - was she making a real prediction?'  Dumbledore looke mildly impressed.  'Do you know, Harry, I think she might have been,' he said thoughtfully.  'Who'd have thought it?  That brings her total of real predictions up to two.  I should offer her a pay raise...'"  pg. 426, PoA, US version


And then, of course, we find out that DD wasn't just being cheeky, but Trelawny actually did make another real prediction.... the prophecy!
Flash_hound
Haha, ya your right!  I forgot about that one.
ktmac
I don't know my opinion on the seven horcruxes mentioned in each one of the books... the only thing... their are really one six horcruxes... LV himself holds the remainder of his tarnished soul.  I'm not too convinced that a horcrux was mentioned in each book... but it would be cool though!
Accio24/7
She is amazingly clever and has an outstanding imagination. My daughter(9 yrs old) did me the favor of talking me into reading the series right before HBP came out, and I can't thank her enough. Of course I was hooked right away, as was my husband because she talked him into reading them too. It was funny when HBP came out because we were both anxiously waiting for her to finish before we started. She has read them all a few times and I'm re-reading them too. I am just blown away by the depth to them. Just the other day on Jeopardy one of the questions was about the Dog Star which is also called Sirius, and I went OMG I never made the connection til then. I wonder how much research went into her work? anyway, best author I have ever read clap.gif
MommyFan
I found something fascinating at the Lexicon yesterday. If you go to hp-lexicon.org, Magic and Magical Theory, Reference, Legilimency, (http://www.hp-lexicon.org/magic/legilimency.html), it gives a whole list of when Snape possibly used Legilimency throughout the whole series, before we knew he could do it. I'm sure they have lists like this on other things as well.
ktmac
QUOTE(Accio24/7 @ July 28 2005,11:30 )
I wonder how much research went into her work? anyway, best author I have ever read clap.gif


I agree with you one hundred percent!!
Flash_hound
And how lockheart kept screwing up spells and stuff, and in the end your find out what his only good spell is.

I agree too she is just sooo amazing at writing.  The first novel I ever read was SS, thats what got me into reading.
ktmac
Oh, here's an obvious one, the grim following Harry around in book 3.. when it turns out to be Sirius!  And polyjuice potion reintroduced in book 4, explaining how Barty jr. got out of Azkaban.  =)
Flash_hound
Yep how pointless things, failures, turn into extremly useful things in the next book in the series.
ktmac
yeah... lockhart was quite the joke!
Hedwigger7
QUOTE(Flash_hound @ July 28 2005,11:24 )
But Voldermort wouldn't just leave his stuff lying around is what i'm saying.  And Harry doesn't even leave Hogwarts till book 3!!  I mean, there are a few things I could imagine, but nothing that obvious...


I don't think it would have to be anything obvious.  Just a reference.  And why not leave things "lying aroundd" -- sometimes the best way to hide things are to put them in plain sight.  We do know that DD's belief that LV used one item from at least a couple Hog Wart houses as horcruxes...  Harry's scar has been suggested to be one and then LV himself (who will come out in Book 7 of course), so there might be an arguement for one Horcrux appearing in each book.  I guess since we won't know what they all are until Book 7 we won't know.  Needs some super sleuthing!  :note:
gandalf
I think the small clues makes it possible to read the books over and over and over again.
Like the way Sirius is mentioned in the PS and then book3 is devoted to him and the story surrounding him.
Sometimes you go mad trying to figure out whether something was a clue or not.
I completely agree JK is the greatest writer I have ever read.
She saved my life.
Twankydillo
I think J.K. Rowling does many, many cunning things with her writing, not just through foreshadowing events for future books in previous ones. I think she very cleverly always makes sure the reader doesn't think she doesn't want them to. Not by making surprise endings, or by being random or anything like that ... She often covers over bits by tangling them in another plotline, or by leading us down the wrong path through another characters opinion, or by giving us so many connecting mysteries that we don't know which will lead to what until they all explode, or they become the fizzling fireworks that are connected to the big explosion but aren't a part of it. She will often hide an important point behind a following exciting chapter, so it's swept straight out of our brains. My favourite of her clever tricks is to flat out tell us what's happening but having us so suspicious of her that we don't realise she just went and told us (in The Goblet of Fire, it described Winky running as though she was dragging an invisible person ... Not just an interesting simile, she was dragging an invisible person! Another example, in The Half-Blood Prince the constant mention of the cabinet that becomes important later on obscuring Draco from the hiding Harry, Ron and Hermione. We think we don't know what he's talking about because he was hidden behind the cabinet ... Nooo, he was really talking about the cabinet).

She's a bit like a magician, really. Not a real magical one, but one that tricks us, but with words instead of cards and smoke. It's all there and obvious when we're shown through it, but while it's happening she's very good at making sure we don't see the strings.
ktmac
QUOTE(Twankydillo @ July 28 2005,11:47 )
I think J.K. Rowling does many, many cunning things with her writing, not just through foreshadowing events for future books in previous ones. I think she very cleverly always makes sure the reader doesn't think she doesn't want them to. Not by making surprise endings, or by being random or anything like that ... She often covers over bits by tangling them in another plotline, or by leading us down the wrong path through another characters opinion, or by giving us so many connecting mysteries that we don't know which will lead to what until they all explode, or they become the fizzling fireworks that are connected to the big explosion but aren't a part of it. She will often hide an important point behind a following exciting chapter, so it's swept straight out of our brains. My favourite of her clever tricks is to flat out tell us what's happening but having us so suspicious of her that we don't realise she just went and told us (in The Goblet of Fire, it described Winky running as though she was dragging an invisible person ... Not just an interesting simile, she was dragging an invisible person! Another example, in The Half-Blood Prince the constant mention of the cabinet that becomes important later on obscuring Draco from the hiding Harry, Ron and Hermione. We think we don't know what he's talking about because he was hidden behind the cabinet ... Nooo, he was really talking about the cabinet).

She's a bit like a magician, really. Not a real magical one, but one that tricks us, but with words instead of cards and smoke. It's all there and obvious when we're shown through it, but while it's happening she's very good at making sure we don't see the strings.


Very well put!  I agree with EVERYTHING you said!  :D
LucyintheSky
I find that with the last two books I've been reading every line with a sort of investigative little voice in the back of my mind.  Especially if some random fact or detail is just thrown in.. I find myself thinking, "That was just too random.  Its going to mean something down the road." I think if I keep on like that I'll drive myself crazy!  Sure is fun though.  Only one book left to go and we will get all the answers.  Phew!
HeadHouse-Elf
I completley agree with everything you all are saying!!
One of my favorite characters in the series is Professor Trelawney...JKR really does a great job with her...her cheesy mystism, mixed with the smell of cooking sherry - hysterical! And I love how ever since JKR introduced her, its been with the pretense of being an 'old fraud,' however, obviously - and not so obviously, she can make real predictions, she's just to obsorbed in herself to realize it!  One of the not-so-obvious times she makes a real prediction was in HBP, and I actually burst out laughing when I read it:

"Harry...had to step hastily behind a statue when Professor Trelawney appeared...muttering to herself as she shuffled a pack of dirty-looking playing cards, reading them as she walked.  
'Two of spades: conflict....Ten of spades: violence.  Knave of spades: a dark young man, possibly troubled, one who dislikes the questioner -- '
She stopped dead, right on the other side of Harry's statue.
'Well, that can't be right,' she said, annoyed..."

I'm still laughing as I type it!   laugh.gif
Beth
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